[Zarax]

Don't forget the Sathanas was not alone, so they also counted on support from teir own destroyers.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by knn
The Shivans didn't know a 6.1 km long superdestroyer was waiting for them in the Capella system. The Colossus attacked immediately after the Sathanas jumped. The Shivans probably thought they could repair their weapons before a GTVA destroyer could do serious damage, and their bombers could take care of the destroyer. I doubt they were expecting to see a ship as powerful as the Colossus.

They did the next time though, didn't they?

[knn]

You couldn't see any other destroyers coming in to help the Sathanas. They probably didn't have any around, but it is strange that the Shivans did almost nothing to save the Sathanas. (The mission makes sense if you don't destroy all the beams. The Colossus is struggling to destroy the juggernaught as fast as possible, which is unnecessary if it poses no threat).

[Hippo]

... uh...



There certianly were other ships assisting the sathanas... What do you call the Demon that shows up after the Sathanas leaves then?

[knn]

It was a long time ago I played with FS2, but I think that Demon was destroyed, altough I'm not sure. Even if there were any other destroyers there, then it's very strange the Shivans didn't send them in to help.

Now that I think about it, the secondary goal of that mission was to destroy the Demon. I think I disabled it and then I took out the beams threatening the allied corvette.

[Hippo]

Yes, but it was assisting the Sathanas nonetheless...

[Jetmech Jr.]

Just to clear a few things up, The LRBGreen has:

Range: 8000
Damage: 1900
Lifetime (how long it's active): 4 Seconds
Fire wait: 35 Seconds

*Note that the LRBGreen is the supercharged version of the BGreen, the Collosus' standard weapon.

The BGreen has:

Range: 4000
Damage: 1200
Lifetime: 4 seconds
Fire wait: 30 seconds

The BFRed has:

Range: 7400
Damage: 2100
Lifetime: 7 seconds
Fire wait: 10 seconds

*Note that the BFRed is NOT the overcharged version of the sathanas cannons.

I'd hate to see what it would be like if the Sathanas did like the Collosus and supercharged its weapons.

(The mission makes sense if you don't destroy all the beams. The Colossus is struggling to destroy the juggernaught as fast as possible, which is unnecessary if it poses no threat).

I thought they were urgent because they wanted to destroy the Sathanas before it could escape.

[knn]

I didn't know the exact stats, but the point is that GTVA weaponry is slooooow, while Shivan weaponry is much faster, while even more destructive.

I thought they were urgent because they wanted to destroy the Sathanas before it could escape.

Escape where? Back to Gamma Drac? Not probable, and even if the Sathanas did that, what would the Shivans gain. And besides, the Colossus would've followed. It makes much more sense to shout: 'We're on the verge of redline. We're giving it all we've got'... if the Sathanas is blasting you with a few BFReds. I don't think they'd risk a reactor core meltdown just to kill it sooner. Also, the increase in range was needed to counter the Sathanas's long range.

[aldo_14]

The GTVA had to destroy the Sathanas before it could repair its main beams... otherwise the thing would be very hard to stop (maybe impossible); especially if the GTVA fleet had taken a heavy battering in the NTF war, was spread out a bit, and if they were short of warheads or Mjolnirs before the front lines.

What the GTVA was scared of was another Lucifer situation.

[Kie99]

Standard GTVA Destroyers have BGreens, the Colossus has super charged versions [glow=green](BFGreen and LRBGreen)[/glow]
Standard Shivan destroyers (and the Lilith) have LReds, the Sathanas has a super charged version [glow=red](BFRed)[/glow]

[karajorma]

Originally posted by knn
Escape where? Back to Gamma Drac?

Aldo makes a good point. During the Great War the Shivans were able to make use of unstable jump nodes. Command had no idea if the Sathanas could also do this (In fact we still don't know). If the shivans managed to get the Sathanas away it could easily have jumped somewhere they couldn't follow it and then jumped back in later/elsewhere to launch a surprise attack.

That's probably also why Command were so desperate to take out that shivan destroyer too.

[FireCrack]

Or it couldve powered up it's jump drives and jumped across the system to enter vega or epsilon pegausi, repair on the move.

[TrashMan]

The point is - teh Colossus doesn't suck - it's beams do.
Actually, Terran and Vasudan beams suck BIG time.

[aldo_14]

Then the Colossus does 'suck', because it's beams are as integral to the ship as the hitpoint value it's assigned.

That is, of course, unless you want to descend into the realm of unbelievability by adding superbeams willy-nilly without regard for the actual effect they would have upon, for example, power drain.

[FireCrack]

^well, the shivans seem able to do it. Actualy the main problem with terran beams (particularly those on the collossus) seems to be lack of heat dissapation, not lack of power

[Hippo]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
Standard GTVA Destroyers have BGreens, the Colossus has super charged versions (BFGreen and LRBGreen)
Standard Shivan destroyers (and the Lilith) have LReds] the Sathanas has a super charged version (BFRed)

A: Don't use color like thatl

B: I don't think that the BGG and the LRBG are that closely related to the BG's...



And shame on all you people for not memorizing Zylon's beam faq...

[Jetmech Jr.]

Hey, I did...Almost...

[AlphaOne]

If I remeber corectly there was that whole redline reactor thing.....hmm....I dont know what to say but I think that FireCrack  os wrong about the beam cannons not having enough power. And if that is corect that suports mi theory that the Colossus is a better designed ship then the Sathanas as a whole even if its main pourpose was definatly not that of batteling a Sathanas kind of ship. But what I agree with FireCrack is that the heat disapation is a problem because I remember something about buckling under the strain I think those were the Colossus beam cannons.

[Hippo]

Punctuate more.


Heat shouldn't be a problem in space. Though the captian on the Colossus did say they'd melt the heatsinks if they pushed any harder...

[aldo_14]

Probably couldn't dissapate the heat quick enough.  Also a lot of heat would be going through the internal energy conduits / cables to reach the beam itself.