[Janos]

Darwin was the grandfather of modern evolutionary theories - he figured out the basics, but nowadays the theories are much more accurate and quite different from what Darwin thought. See the entire field of genetics, for example.

Mendel first discovered this, being an active hortonomist and all. The huge effect they have on our lives - we are breeding factories for genes and just how much of our higher level intelligence is based on them we can only guess, they affect our feelings, they most likely make us pay more attention to our parents than our potential companions, etc. etc. - was discovered much later, in early 1900s. Now many biologists focus on genes and amino acids to study life and the forms it takes rather than inaccurate lumps of flesh and slime we know as "living" entities. [see viruses!]

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Liberator


Because Satan/Lucifer/The Devil makes a policy of decieving Man as often as possible and is not above portraying himself as God.

Take a good look at the Nostra Aetate, released by the Second Vatican Council: http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
Doesn't seem to me that the Church follows any of what you said. Unless, of course, you're one of the people who think that the Roman Catholic Church is a bunch of pagans....

[Stealth]

or maybe the Roman Catholic Church doesn't represent every single strand of Christianity in the world today...?

[Grey Wolf]

I know it isn't. I'm just saying it's another point of view. The pagan comment refers to the fact that for some reason certain groups of Christians think that the Roman Catholic Church is a bunch of pagans.

[aldo_14]

I don't think you can use the devil as a reason to dismiss all you disagree with, and still claim to be interested in improving the morals of mankind.

Y'know, cos what is the argument based around other than personal interpretation and hence bias?

[Flipside]

There was actually an experiment held regarding the evolution of the human eye from very basic sensing organ to what it is today, it was done in 1994 by Daniel Nillson and Susanne Pelger.

The outcome was that, ever the course of about 400,000 generations, a basic eye could, by slowly improving, turn into what we have today

[Annihilation]

All this talk about creationism and evolution... Do you know what is really funny? Darwin was a DEEPLY religious man. Sometimes world is a funny place.

[karajorma]

He lost a lot of that after his daughter died though.

[Lynx]

Originally posted by Flipside
There was actually an experiment held regarding the evolution of the human eye from very basic sensing organ to what it is today, it was done in 1994 by Daniel Nillson and Susanne Pelger.

The outcome was that, ever the course of about 400,000 generations, a basic eye could, by slowly improving, turn into what we have today

Let's see what Billy has to say about that:

Billy does say that human beings evolved by accident, and he simply let us live to help with his bacteria project. He's particularly pleased that we've sent bacteria to Mars and even beyond the solar system, while humans have still not left Earth and moon.

He says the human blind spot is evidence of fault-prone evolution in action. He says if he'd designed humans, he would have used a better layout for the eye, similar to that of squid.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Annihilation
All this talk about creationism and evolution... Do you know what is really funny? Darwin was a DEEPLY religious man. Sometimes world is a funny place.

Yeah and Jesus was a JEW!

[Flipside]

Come to think of it, Satan was an Angel too

[an0n]

Oh and as another 'anti-bible' thing, I take issue with the war in heaven.

If God is all powerful, no number of Angels should ever have posed any kind of threat to him. But the fact that there was supposedly this war in heaven means that a sufficiently large number of Angels would be more powerful than God.

[Flipside]

But that's the whole thing, Christianity is about the 'One true God'....

And Angels
And Seraphim
And various other immortal helpers.

Why does an omnipotent and omnipresent God need helpers? Makes him sound more like Santa.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by an0n
Oh and as another 'anti-bible' thing, I take issue with the war in heaven.

If God is all powerful, no number of Angels should ever have posed any kind of threat to him. But the fact that there was supposedly this war in heaven means that a sufficiently large number of Angels would be more powerful than God.

well maybe Satan and the rest of his followers weren't destroyed for a reason.  when people talk about a war in heaven, and Satan and the demons cast out, it doesn't mean a war fought with swords and guns.  it's referring to some sort of conflict i presume.  also, God's supposed to be infinitely powerful, right?  and the power of angels, while extremely powerful, have limits, right?  so if you take trillions and trillions of the largest number you can think of... is it larger than infinity?  no, it's not even close.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Then why doesn't he just blink them away, if that's true?

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Flipside
But that's the whole thing, Christianity is about the 'One true God'....

And Angels
And Seraphim
And various other immortal helpers.

Why does an omnipotent and omnipresent God need helpers? Makes him sound more like Santa.

that's weird, because when does the Bible ever talk about "helpers"?  it doesn't... and if God created angels, seraphim, and 'various other immortal helpers', you don't think He'd have the power to govern on His own?  i'm sure He would.  perhaps they were created for a different purpose, say to worship Him, or to serve Him in some other matter, or even serve under him.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
Then why doesn't he just blink them away, if that's true?

Originally posted by Stealthmaybe Satan and the rest of his followers weren't destroyed for a reason

it's a good point you have though... do some research on that, and see what you come up with.

[an0n]

Normally, I'd pick fault with your argument and lambast you with profanity, but inkeeping with my new sunny attitude and the erradication of my many vices I will simply say that I believe you to be wrong and the concepts addressed by the Bible to be fundamentally flawed.

Thank you and good day.

[Bobboau]

sounds like the Islamic interpetation of satan there, God uses him so he can pick off the moral straglers.

[Liberator]

The war in heaven wasn't between God and some of the angels though.  It was between angels loyal to God and those not.  After it was all over, God kicked out the rebellious ones.  I don't think Satan wants to kill God, just take his job because he thinks he can do a better job.  Unfortunately, his idea of a better job involves lots of pain, death and destruction.