[Taristin]

Why is it obvious?

You (or I, for that matter) have no idea what Volition's intentions were...

[aldo_14]

It's about as obvious as fish.

[TrashMan]

The Sath is a warship, pure and simple.....

[aldo_14]

Except it's not pure and simple.  That's what the last 2 pages or so are about.

[Falcon]

You know what I just got this idea...........

Could it be at all possible that the only reason why the Shivans took Bosh in a trasport was maybe possibly that they could probe his mind for information, that means the GTVA's numbers, ship tech, fleet size, and maybe the location to the homeworld?

Could it be that when they got that informaton the Shivans used a few of their juggernaughts to open up a temporary jump hole to sol?

[TrashMan]

Or so you think.

The Sath is a warship. It's too big, too well armoured, too well armed and carries too many fighters to be a science ship or colony ship or anything else.

It makes no sense whatsoever that a non-combat ship is the most powerfull ship seen in FS2.

The Sath attacked the Colosuss - that sez enough. Someone said they prolly sent him couse they had nothing else in the vicinity. Bull.
There is no sense whatsoever in sending a non-combat ship, especialy since taking out the Colossus wasn't that urgent or important - it clearly didn't impede the shivans in their star-blowing mission and it was damaged.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by TrashMan
Or so you think.

The Sath is a warship. It's too big, too well armoured, too well armed and carries too many fighters to be a science ship or colony ship or anything else.

It makes no sense whatsoever that a non-combat ship is the most powerfull ship seen in FS2.

The Sath attacked the Colosuss - that sez enough. Someone said they prolly sent him couse they had nothing else in the vicinity. Bull.
There is no sense whatsoever in sending a non-combat ship, especialy since taking out the Colossus wasn't that urgent or important - it clearly didn't impede the shivans in their star-blowing mission and it was damaged.

All of this has been discussed earlier & plausible rebuttals offered.

Please read the rest of the thread.

[dan87uk]

Originally posted by Falcon
You know what I just got this idea...........

Could it be at all possible that the only reason why the Shivans took Bosh in a trasport was maybe possibly that they could probe his mind for information, that means the GTVA's numbers, ship tech, fleet size, and maybe the location to the homeworld?

Could it be that when they got that informaton the Shivans used a few of their juggernaughts to open up a temporary jump hole to sol?

That is a somewhat Bold idea, a nice idea, although doubtful, maybe you should write fanfics? lol in fact whith the ideas floating about in these forums im suprised 90% of the people on it dont do fanfics

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by dan87uk


That is a somewhat Bold idea, a nice idea, although doubtful, maybe you should write fanfics? lol in fact whith the ideas floating about in these forums im suprised 90% of the people on it dont do fanfics

We tend to do campaigns instead.  But it takes longer and we can't spil the story by revealing it.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by TrashMan

The Sath attacked the Colosuss - that sez enough.

Actually, the Sath only killed stuff that got in it's way and the C fired the first shot.  We don't know what the Sath's final destination was, only that it was nigh invulneralble to convential weapons, had wiped out the defensive fleet at the Capella node, and was headed into populated areas.

[Kie99]

Originally posted by TrashMan
It makes no sense whatsoever that a non-combat ship is the most powerfull ship seen in FS2

1. the Sathanas can be destroyed by the aquitaine and a wing of bombers and an escort (Aquitaine jumps in behind the Sath, right after it has jumped in, Bombers launch Trebs at the Lred on the Sath's Arse and the Aquitiane BFGReens it to death) I would much rather live on a Colossus than the Sathanas

2.  The Sathanas is obviously a dual purpose ship.  It is a fairly strong warship, but 80 of them can cause a SuperNova.  After all the Big C can't destroy a star and that is IMO a more powerful vessel because it has more anti-capship turrets

[Lightspeed]

Originally posted by aldo_14


We don't kno0w the conditions of the system post-nova, or indeed the scope of the nova, only a visual representation  Simple as that.

Unless this is a very special nova, we may speculate based on scientific data.

 

It's not proven that Bosch is right in any way in his final aim, whatever that may be.  IMO the Shivans have played him a cheap piano.

 He makes communication, that's all.  There's no evidence that his crew was suppossed to die ("As I make this final entry my crew is preparing to scuttle the Iceni and board the shivan transports. We embark on a miraculous journey towards a new horizon."), or that he went willingly after the Shivans arrived ("they took Bosch"; namely use of 'took').

In fact, for making the first steps of a new alliance ("I have initiated the first phase of a new alliance with the destroyers"), the Shivans appear to have been somewhat violent after boarding the Iceni; whether or not you put this down to the Iceni crew panicking, Shivan belligerance or a Bosch double-cross - the truth is we don't know.

His crew probably died because they panicked. I doubt he even told the "average crew" they would be boarded by Shivans. The contact was bloody, yes. And it's not like he plans starting a "new alliance" with the Shivans, he's "initiating the first phase", probably not much more than begging them to listen to him. And yes, it's possible they took Bosch, but as long as Bosch left the Iceni and boarded the  transports, his final aim is met.


 

Likewise, it's impossible to simply dismiss the GTVA and Petrarch as wrong without any evidence to the contrary.... Petrarch is a key aspect of the storyline, and Volition wouldn't have put in that specific line ("Perhaps they are exiles like we are, nomads wandering the universe, searching for a way back home. The explosion of a star might be a bridge between this universe and their own.") if it wasn't intended to have some relevance or meaning; whether that is a deliberate misdirection or a hint towards the continuation of the storyline, we can't casually dismiss it.

It's basically a way of moving the focus back on Sol, showing the desperation of the Terrans to get back. It is definately a continuation of the storyline. It screams "we're going back to Sol!"

Originally posted by Falcon
You know what I just got this idea...........

Could it be at all possible that the only reason why the Shivans took Bosh in a trasport was maybe possibly that they could probe his mind for information, that means the GTVA's numbers, ship tech, fleet size, and maybe the location to the homeworld?

Could it be that when they got that informaton the Shivans used a few of their juggernaughts to open up a temporary jump hole to sol?

They wouldn't need Bosch for that. Just look back at FS1 or the power with which they could have simply crushed everything. They (hopefully) wouldn't jump to Sol.

Originally posted by dan87uk


That is a somewhat Bold idea, a nice idea, although doubtful, maybe you should write fanfics? lol in fact whith the ideas floating about in these forums im suprised 90% of the people on it dont do fanfics

I've thought about it, but even as it is, I write enough fiction already, and lack the time needed.

[Falcon]

Well I often question why the Shivans came back a second time. Somehow I keep thinking the same thing: Maybe the reason why the Shivans came back a second time was to find out what happened to the Lucifer. I mean is the Shivans sent the Lucifer to destroy Earth in FS1, but  instead it was destroyed by the GTVA, but do the Shivans know that the Lucifer is destroyed? Maybe thats why they came back a second time.

This all IMHO.

[dan87uk]

perhaps in that case, they think the lucifer is stuck in the sol system rather than destroyed, which would tie in with your other bold idea that the sathii's opened a temporary jump point  to  sol

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Lightspeed


Unless this is a very special nova, we may speculate based on scientific data.

It's an artificially induced nova, of course it's special.
 

Originally posted by Lightspeed

His crew probably died because they panicked. I doubt he even told the "average crew" they would be boarded by Shivans. The contact was bloody, yes. And it's not like he plans starting a "new alliance" with the Shivans, he's "initiating the first phase", probably not much more than begging them to listen to him. And yes, it's possible they took Bosch, but as long as Bosch left the Iceni and boarded the  transports, his final aim is met.

Probably, but not definately.  Although I'm not sure Bosch would consider his crew average if they manned his flagship, and surely they would have cottoned on to at least part of his plan regardless (after entering the nebula and communicating & not attacking a Shivan vessel)?

I somehow doubt Bosch' ultimate goal was to travel on a Shivan transport, however.

Originally posted by Lightspeed

It's basically a way of moving the focus back on Sol, showing the desperation of the Terrans to get back. It is definately a continuation of the storyline. It screams "we're going back to Sol!"

Maybe, but it's also paralleling the Shivans to humanity (or even using them as an allegory).  The line about the Shivans being refugees like humanity only appears in the 'success' (i.e. escape) cutscene; perhaps a reward?

[dan87uk]

whoa 8 pages...impressive, lol is there anymore we can posisbly say on the shivans? we've gon from numbers and there technology to shivans ordering a pizza

[Kie99]

Originally posted by Lightspeed


Unless this is a very special nova, we may speculate based on scientific data.

 I think it is safe to say it is a very special nova

[InfernoGod]

Hey, don't make fun of the Shivans! They ARE special aliens... They spent a lot of time in their special education classes, and I think they deserve a medal for all of their hard work!

[Lightspeed]

Originally posted by aldo_14

Probably, but not definately.  Although I'm not sure Bosch would consider his crew average if they manned his flagship, and surely they would have cottoned on to at least part of his plan regardless (after entering the nebula and communicating & not attacking a Shivan vessel)?

Probably not. With "average crew" I don't mean those that are actually filling vital roles in the ship. They wouldn't know.

 

I somehow doubt Bosch' ultimate goal was to travel on a Shivan transport, however.

If you put it this way: He succeeded as far as getting noticed by the Shivans, and to successfully communicate with them. And all clues we're given indicate they do indeed at least consider(!) listening to what Bosch has to say.

 

Maybe, but it's also paralleling the Shivans to humanity (or even using them as an allegory).  The line about the Shivans being refugees like humanity only appears in the 'success' (i.e. escape) cutscene; perhaps a reward?

I think Petrarch would see "nomads searching for a way home" everywhere.

[DIO]

Why are you so convinced that you are right Lightspeed?