[CaptJosh]

Playing FS Port just a little bit ago on 03/06/06, I got a warp to desktop on um, Into the Night, I think it is. The one where you escort the Plato.

[neoterran]

Neo, i didn't say the build was freezing up, i just said it was running slower.

Cobra, look at the previous page where everyone is having the freeze up problem / CTD issues. That's what i'm talking about. I don't know much about the optimized builds, don't see much difference over here. (they use SSE ? AFAIK, the latest microsoft tools for building C++ have better granularity in optimization support than just vector instruction sets, but i don't think we use VS2005 to build the thing)

All i know is that they lock up, really randomly. I'll try using a debug build and hopefully i'll be able to post results back.

[StratComm]

Do they freeze the game or the system?  Out of curiousity; I haven't seen the bug myself.  If it's system freezing, I'd be interested in knowing what hardware it's happening on.

[Shadow0000]

(they use SSE ? AFAIK, the latest microsoft tools for building C++ have better granularity in optimization support than just vector instruction sets, but i don't think we use VS2005 to build the thing)

While this is true, optimized Builds should be written using VS2005, and then compiled using ICC 9. The real problem is not only the many spelling changes that VS versions cause, but is also the price.....

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Expect the CVS to be WIPs, after all that's what they are called CVS Builds.

Just run a "Debug" build executable, the one named -d (not -r) in Window mode, go to the Dev Tools in the Laucher and select the Flag: Run in a window. See the last line, and you should easily see the problem there.

Most of my ramdom crashes where caused by Vectors bugs....

[neoterran]

Do they freeze the game or the system?  Out of curiousity; I haven't seen the bug myself.  If it's system freezing, I'd be interested in knowing what hardware it's happening on.

The display on screen just suddenly freezes, at random times and not very often, i'd say once every 10 games or few hours of play. At first I just rebooted, thinking it was a total system lockup, but i've found giving the 3 finger salute and or the start button can coax the explorer to display partially over it at the wrong resolution and allow me to kill the frozen freespace. It only seems to happen in the game, not ever at loading screens, mainhall or anything. I just played a few hours tonight without it happening, however. <shrugs> All i know is that the 3.6.7 release build hasn't ever exhibited this behavior. I have to play some with a debug build and report what the spew is I guess.

Also it seemed to me that it occurred a lot less often when NOT using the optimized build, but that could just be me. I know i've seen it happen on both.

[bonusbartus]

I think I found the problem, I had the same thing here,
I've made a mantis topic ,http://lore.maxgaming.net/~scp/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000812
I think that s the same thing. using old mv_effects.vp works, I only dont understand why ther old mv_effects is so much smaller than the .8delta

[Triple Ace]

Do they freeze the game or the system?  Out of curiousity; I haven't seen the bug myself.  If it's system freezing, I'd be interested in knowing what hardware it's happening on.

For me it is sometimes just the game and other times it is the system. My specs are Athlon 2000+, 512 ram, 40 GB HD, 128 MB Geforce FX 5700 LE.

[neoterran]

True, sometimes i can't coax it back out of it and have to restart as well. Don't have a chance to run the debug build much yet.

And I've had the problem on either set of vps, 3.6.7 (plus patches 1,2) and 3.6.8 Delta (and fixes) so I don't think the vps are the problem. Part of the issue is waiting for it to show up, i've convinced myself I've "fixed" it a few times already, but no dice. 

[Tom Servo]

Hi guys, i also had the freezes with the latest build but i switched from direct3d to opengl in the options and now it seems much more stable. Plus the menu looks smoother and there is some cool lighting with opengl. Kinda weird that opengl is more compatible.
Im on:
athlon64 3000
1gig ram
gforce6800 ultra

[StratComm]

The only reason I ask is because FS2 has gotten high-end enough with all of the graphical content that it contains to actually start pushing modern graphics cards and systems toward their breaking point.  It's becoming reasonably well documented that random lockups happening on newer-gen systems with some games are a result of overheating (without any kind of hacking or overclocking on the GPU, I should add) so there's a slim chance that FSO could be pushing that limit as well.  Keep an eye on it, as it should at worst be consistantly inconsistant (i.e. should really happen across all builds) and if you can find a build in which it started to be a problem then that would be most useful.  Otherwise, I still recommend closing out FS2 every couple of missions and restarting it to avoid these kinds of issues.

[Tom Servo]

About overheating: Galactic Civilizations2(a new game just out) had some freezing/crashing problems and the solution was that the developers limited the the fps of the game to 60 because many high end systems would get very high fps and their cards would overheat in 5-10 minutes causing problems. Just a suggestion you might wanna look into.

[bonusbartus]

can anyone try what I said ^^^ just get the mv_effects.vp out and use the old one and sere if it works, for me it does and I have exactly the same problem

[Cobra]

ok, something's funky here. i'm apparently having a hard time seeing the warp effects without a big slowdown.

on that same note, my computer hangs for like 30 seconds until it shows the little warp out movie starts up.

[Mefustae]

Is there any particular reason why the last few [standard] releases have left me with no music and no briefing voices? I mean, in-game voices and sound effects are all still there, but there is just no brifing voices or music to speak of. Both return, however, when I use a build older than the Voice Reconition from a while back, but beyond that, most of what I try ellicits only silence. Any suggestions?

[karajorma]

Install OpenAL if you haven't already.

[Tom Servo]

can anyone try what I said ^^^ just get the mv_effects.vp out and use the old one and sere if it works, for me it does and I have exactly the same problem

Which one do you mean? I wanna try your theory since i have lockups.

[karajorma]

I suspect he means to use the official 3.6.7 VPs rather than 3.6.8 delta ones.

[bonusbartus]

no not the entire 3.6.7VP's, only the mv_effects.vp from the official vp's: http://scp.indiegames.us/request.php?144

[karajorma]

Yep. That's what I meant Although if that fixes the problem we'll have to look into what was changed between the two.

[CaptJosh]

Did taylor ever make that CVS fix on some code he blamed Goober for screwing up in a recent post? I ask because I have a copy of Borland C++ Builder that's itching to be used, seeing as nobody has posted any windows builds recently.