[TrashMan]

Acording to the ani, the front half of hte lucifer split into 4 bigger parts and a few smalelr ones. One "arm" looks completely intact at least.
Anbd whjile hte Lucifer might be difficult to analyze, don't forget that they retrofitted a dragon fighter in a few DAYS. Now, if you have 30 years or so..

Oh, and we're talking about the whole solar system. Shortage of materials? HA! You got a lot of planets nad moons and a gigantic asteroid belt....

[AlphaOne]

Mi thoughts exactly. Sol was the industrial and economical powerbase of the GTA for a reason and it wasnt beacuse of its strategic position . But rather because it already had a very large suply of rwa material for almost anything you could imagine. It had rare gasses it had minerals etc. So the Prospect of Sol becoming some sort of superfortress is quite posible.

Rememebr it wasnt the city that was cut off from the coutry but rather the country that was cut off rom the city. So while the city would strugle for some time to recover as was the case for the GTA forces outside Sol the country in this case Sol would be gooing along with its business beacause most of its economy is intact and working.

[Mars]

The trouble is, there aren't really any real world examples to draw from, so this is all guesswork. The closest thing I can think of is a city under siege, but that presents a whole new set of circumstances.

[wtf_cl0vvn]

You have to try and take in account how well developed the other systems are by that time anyhow...plus the planets. My guess is that the Earth is something like a planet-city, much like Trantor from the Asimov novels or Coruscant from SW...

Mercury, Mars, and the Moon wouldn't be far behind...nor the Jovian moons, perhaps even the Saturnian ones, and Pluto even.

When does it say the subspace drive was invented? sometime like 212-something...cant really remember. by that point, my guess is that the solar system has been pretty well worked...the Earth is at a level 4 (services and tech) economy, the other planets leaning more towards service industries, still with heavy industry (shipbuilding), then theyd move out to Delta Serpentis and the other systems...

By the time of the VT War, my guess is that Sol is like a capital system. If youve had 2-300 years to expand out  into the galaxy, and youve got 15 systems colonized, then the original system has been pretty much left as administrative. Delta Serpentis would be close to there, and the other systems would be raw resource and industrial systems. Remember, with subspace, a cargo of food or metals from, say, Ikeya or Ribos, going on large civilian freighters would be able to get to Delta S. or Vega in a day or so.

The freighters im guessing would be large, slow, and close to defenseless, but with huge cargo capacity for efficiency. With subspace, they dont have to move too quick

If you cut off the capital system from the rest, i dont know what would happen...maybe like cutting off Western Europe from the rest of the world? i have no idea...

Im not saying they would be COMPLETELY useless, just that their production capacity and resource influx would be drastically cut down....

[AlphaOne]

Actualy from what i gather for the FS and FS2 the outer sistems that the GTA colonized were rather under developed. The most developed one was the DS as far as I can rememeber but i do remember that there was a mention of Sol beeing the backbone if you will of the entire GTA with most of the industryal and economical actyvity taking place there.

If that is so then you could argue that Sol is indeed the powerhouse both economical and industrial behind the GTA controled space. We can not exactly argue that Sol would have its resources drasticly reduced since Sol has vast amounts of resources on its own. Remember they stopped building the Prometheus S because they did not have acces to rare gasses that were found in Sol. And it took the finding of the nebula to strat production of it again.

They more likely decided to bring resources from the colonized sistems thus helping the economi moving along by creating more jobs and develop outside the Sol sistem to some degree beause it suited them . more jobs for the colonies and more raw material posibly even cheaper for the industry etc. I mean even cut off the GTA from Sol would have enough resources to build a fleet of juggs similar to the shivan one. They have thye ore from the asteroid belt and the other rock planets in the sistem they have the gasses and they shipyards and research facilaties would be intact. So no resources and money wasted to rebuild those.

So in the Long run i believe that Sol when reconected to the GTVA space would be somewhat more advanced  in various areas then the GTVA. I mean they sere as hell had 35 years at they disposab to rpoduce more powerfull variants of the Prometheus cannon. Also with the reamins of the Lucifer at they disposal especialy forward half of it i'm willing to bet they are more advanced in beam canno9n tech then the GTVA!

[Goober5000]

Actualy from what i gather for the FS and FS2 the outer sistems that the GTA colonized were rather under developed.

Indeed.  According to the FSRefBible, subspace technology was only developed 20 or so years before the start of FS1.  That's not a lot of time to form colonies, not unless you had a massive number of emigrants from a severely overpopulated Sol system.

[Taristin]

20 years before FS1 left only 6 years for the technology to spread to the fleet before war would necessitate it being used predominantly by the military. 6 years isnt enough time, IMO, for military tech to spread throughout the populace.

[Mars]

Is it even possible for the billions of people that it seems like there has to be in the outer systems, to be in the outer systems? It doesn't seem like there'd be enough time

[BS403]

There's not really that many people in the outer systems, Capella was the most inhabited system outside of Sol and it only had a few million.

[Mars]

There's not really that many people in the outer systems, Capella was the most inhabited system outside of Sol and it only had a few million.

That was never stated in the game.

Think about it, say there were only 50 million people outside of Sol, then every destroyer blown up would be .2% of the entire population

[BS403]

That makes more sense.

[Goober5000]

Okay, according to the FSRefBible, subspace travel was discovered "twenty-two years ago", which would place it in 2313.  (For the purposes of the TVWP, we're assuming that means intersystem travel, since that gives us a bit more flexibility.  If one were to take it as any sort of subspace travel, then space colonization would have to be very primitive indeed.)

Capella was described as "densely populated" with 250 million civilians, which is 50 million fewer than the number of people in the United States and only four percent of the total number of people living on Earth today.

[AlphaOne]

Well while I do agree that for the most part the outer sistems were rather uninhabited i'm sure there was a substantial terran presence in the outer sistem just not enough to call them developed enough. I mean its one thing to asume a sistem is developed when it has 1 billion terrans or at least more then 500 million but a totaly different thing when you have one or 2 bilion terrans spread across 10 sistems or more. that would decrease its averall develeopement of the outer sistems. However the amount of peaople in capella sugests to me that a serious amount of colonists have made it out of sol and into the outer sistems just not enough for them to be populated in the serios notion of the word like 400 or 500 million people per planet or more.

Basicly the GTVA could not of hadsuch a large milatary force without a decent amount of civilians from wich to recrute them.

[lefkos]

diffrent weapon systems for diffrent situations
for axsample : for escort missions without  any big ship threats arm a fenris (or other ship) with more anti fighter beams and the fusion mortar with harpoon missles.
or  change it completely to a missle based cruiser.
also for the bigger ships battles arm it with more ANTI-cap-based weapons.
and so on

also more phobos based capital ships
those ships are almost invincible!

and space colonies aka Gundam wing

[Game_Master64]

do not necro topics this old. the last post was 8 months ago. let it die if it wants to.

[lefkos]

do not necro topics this old. the last post was 8 months ago. let it die if it wants to.

whats wrong with it its a fine topic!
and sometimes peeps are posting so quick that this topic was just vanished..

[Game_Master64]

ok, look at the last reply before yours. look at the date.
December 22, 2006, 03:27:04 AM
Now look at the date on your post
July 12, 2007, 11:09:07 AM

no do the math

7 months, 9 days, 7 hours, 32 minutes, and 3 seconds.

that is officially "necromancing".
necromancy is a revival of the dead through forbidden means.
your lucky this is the HPL BB and not some time in the mid 15 century, they beheadded people if they believed they were necromancers.
nercoing threads is just plain impolite. theres no recent action so it gets burried. if it's not searched for within a reasonable period of time, say a week at most, there is no point to revive it. no one wants to look at it, and i certainly didn't want to spend 5 minutes typing this extremely long flame.
sorry if i came off a bit harsh, but being a former admin on a different forum (and i bold that so you dont think i have ever had the honor of leading this wonderful community) i cant take nercoring. i annoys me to no end. once again, sorry, and please, dont nerco.