[[DW]-Hunter]

Keep in mind the iceni has a substantial size difference to actually differentiate it from being a corvette.

$Name:                          NTF Iceni
$Short name:               RCorvette
$Species:                       Terran
$POF file:                      corvette2r-01.pof

That explains what it is right there. Straight from the tables.

also whats labled a frigate is much smaller ship then the diemos, the hippocrates.

$Name:                          GTM Hippocrates
$Short name:               TMedical
$Species:                       Terran
$POF file:                      frigate2t-01.pof

So with your whole "frigate" idea, you can label it as a frigate, as long as you relize that you can just as well classify it as a corvette.

<EDIT>
From mission 3:
Command, we're five clicks from that corvette! Those coordinates you gave us were bogus! We don't stand a chance of catching that ship!

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[S-99]

Well it's still much bigger than a corvette is. Plus it's from the tables, it could be something V forgot to change when making the game. After that the rest of the game calls it a corvette, so for every reference minus the tables, i think it's safe to say that it's a frigate.

As far as the medical frigate goes. Perhaps the hippocrates is a frigate based on it's size compared to other medical vessels. You can't really go off comparing combat frigates to medical frigates. fs has screwed up ship designations, based on information you can gather from transport ships, if you wanted to you could probably make a transport frigate and it'd be tons smaller than the iceni. In fs ships sizes are most likely screwed because of what class of ship they are, and role. Following this notion, you can have a medical frigate smaller than the iceni, after that there's probably medical corvettes or cruisers that V didn't need to mention in the game for massive evacuation convoy reasons...after that there's just plain old no more medical ships in the game, unless you start looking to the fsport.
In essence the hipocrates fills the frigate roll for medical vessels.

[AlphaOne]

Well the Iceni is not that huge when compared to the Deimos yet is has the abilaty to take out like what 2 Deimos at once?? The diference in size is there but just now i saw how much of a diference. And to me it does not soun all that huge. The Iceni could also be called a battle corvette from mi POV .

[aldo_14]

There's no real reason for assuming that cruiser, corvette, etc classifications are given solely on the basis of size.......

[[DW]-Hunter]

Well it's still much bigger than a corvette is. Plus it's from the tables, it could be something V forgot to change when making the game. After that the rest of the game calls it a corvette, so for every reference minus the tables, i think it's safe to say that it's a frigate.

Want more evidence?

From mission 3:
Command, we're five clicks from that corvette! Those coordinates you gave us were bogus! We don't stand a chance of catching that ship!

[AlphaOne]

Well it does seem that everione designates the Iceni as a corvette rather then a friggate but then again that is no ordinary corvette that is why i believe is hould be called a battle corvette or something like that!

[[DW]-Hunter]

The iceni maybe well equiped but it was never intended to be in a major battle, it was a command ship. But your right, its no ordinary corvette.

[MarkN]

Maybe the Iceni should be classed in the same way as certain star wars ship i.e. NTF Blockade runner Iceni.

[NGTM-1R]

Want more evidence?

From mission 3:
Command, we're five clicks from that corvette! Those coordinates you gave us were bogus! We don't stand a chance of catching that ship!

Want even more?

"The NTF command frigate..." Oh wait...

An excellent argument can be made that the GTVA pilots, not knowing what to call the Iceni (this was first contact with the ship) simply chose to call it a corvette as it was nowhere near destroyer-scale. Later the designation of frigate was applied to it by the people whose job it is to decide these things.

[AlphaOne]

well that is also and execelent arguement ! Also the iceni was not meant to go into a majo battle simply because of its advanced sensors and laboratories on board which made it custom for command and research. But then again when you strip out all those things that you do not need on it and put even more weaponry on it that would make it battle worthi by any standards. Also I believe that fast ships such as the Iceni Deimos and Sobek should be put into fast response strike forces !

Group the awesome aaaf firepower of the deimos with the massive power of the Iceni in terms of beam cannons and the ofensive abilaties of the Sobek and you have an exelent strike force which can move very fast from one point to the other and engage an enemy fleet or at least delay them long enough for the main fleet to arive and take them out. I believe that the Iceni combined with any GTVA destroyer and Deimos or sobek corvette or both of them would prove to be an awesome force .

The Iceni has the speed an manouverabilaty of a corvette yet ha the firepower of a destroyer (almost) which would be invaluable for the GTVA especialy when engaging shivan forces.

[[DW]-Hunter]

Want more evidence?

From mission 3:
Command, we're five clicks from that corvette! Those coordinates you gave us were bogus! We don't stand a chance of catching that ship!

An excellent argument can be made that the GTVA pilots, not knowing what to call the Iceni (this was first contact with the ship) simply chose to call it a corvette as it was nowhere near destroyer-scale. Later the designation of frigate was applied to it by the people whose job it is to decide these things.

After seeing it more then 5 times by even the collossus before they call it a frigate i think that idea you have is wrong. They dont call it a frigate til the second act as far as I know.

[General Battuta]

No, it's called a frigate in the mission briefing for the third mission (The Romans Blunder), if I recall correctly. 

[ShivanSpS]

well, even Snipes calls "cruiser" to a Ravana....

[S-99]

And we all found somewhere new that V ****ed up

[Snail]

Okay:

Using the Iceni is a stupid idea because, although it would be plausible, I don't like the idea because making a new command frigate/corvette would be a better choice for gameplay. The Iceni had a specific purpose in mind, ETAK, and using it again for a GTVA ship is IMO a bad idea as you would rather just start from scratch rather than go through all the trouble to get the blueprints and rip out the lab, give it a more manageable reactor, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[AlphaOne]

Who sais they do not already have the blueprints? And who sais they need to geive it a new reactor sistem the Iceni already has one a superb one at that. Also sisnce when is simply not building in it a research lab such a dificult thing? Surely not building something in it is cheaper anad easier then actualy building a lab inside of it.

[aldo_14]

Who sais they do not already have the blueprints? And who sais they need to geive it a new reactor sistem the Iceni already has one a superb one at that. Also sisnce when is simply not building in it a research lab such a dificult thing? Surely not building something in it is cheaper anad easier then actualy building a lab inside of it.

The fundamental problem is, the Iceni is not a warship - it's a blockade runner, a C & C centre. It is not designed to defend a position, and outfitting it to do so requires making the assumption that you can somehow magic up extra power and capibilities without compromising other elements of the design.  It's not as if you can just bung 20 gun turrets onto an aircraft carrier and still expect it to deploy planes, after all.

[Snail]

Well you see, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I can't be bothered to talk anymore. :

[AlphaOne]

I just dont get you guis! Why is it so dificult for you to admit that making an Iceni is posble and may be cheaper then the Original with all of its sophisticated  sensors labs etc.

The Iceni already has turrets and beam cannons what would actualy change is they number and the fact that it would not have such advanced labs on it. I mean come on you are telling me that adding 1 or 2 aaf beams and a ouple of flacks maibe 2 or 3 of them as well as an aditional 2 or 3 laser turrets would be such an expensive endeavour and such a hard thing to do that it would make the whole ship useless.

You can say that all you want but we have proof that it can be done with relative ease and with not such overwhealming costs!

Leviathan anyone?? Or better yet Typhon or Orion? they were rotrofited werent they?

[Snail]

The Typhon, Orion and Leviathan were probably prone to reactor failures.

And you see, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  [[still not bothered to talk]]