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Offline AlphaOne

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Guys, stop changing your posts after somebody has already responded to you and/or quoted you.  It's extremely annoying for everybody involved in the conversation.  Editing posts is, of course, preferable to posting twice in a row, but for goodness sake stick an EDIT marker in there so you don't screw up the conversation.

 

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The constant theme in FreeSpace has always been about how humans adapt and change to meet the challenges posed to them.  This is a pretty common science fiction theme and I wonder if its a deep rooted self preservation scheme thats located somewhere near the very core of our beings.  Humans are exceptional survivors...not all of us and not all at once...but we ultimately know how to survive and adapt and make do and confront that which challenges us.

The Shivans are presented (I've mentioned this before) as an almost elemental threat...they are like the wind made manifest.  So it is very much a "man versus nature" archetype that is being presented in the FreeSpace story.  Some of the other posts have already touched on these ideas...we've stolen, adapted, changed, and presented the Shivans a challenge...even a few defeats or stalemates in a few instances that have been presented to us.

So I think that is the great power of the humans in FreeSpace.  The other great power is the ability to set other concerns aside and make peace with the Vasudans.  Sworn enemies at the beginning of FreeSpace, it turns out that the Vasudans are part of the key to defeating the Shivans.  Its possibly this combination which may never have occurred before that ultimately defeats the Shivans.  I don't know what their long term plans were but there are quite a few themes that you can derive from the stories...some of them are probably not meant to be there strictly as such but they do come out.  Its classic story telling which makes the game all that much more immersive.
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The constant theme in FreeSpace has always been about how humans adapt and change to meet the challenges posed to them.  This is a pretty common science fiction theme and I wonder if its a deep rooted self preservation scheme thats located somewhere near the very core of our beings.  Humans are exceptional survivors...not all of us and not all at once...but we ultimately know how to survive and adapt and make do and confront that which challenges us.

The Shivans are presented (I've mentioned this before) as an almost elemental threat...they are like the wind made manifest.  So it is very much a "man versus nature" archetype that is being presented in the FreeSpace story.  Some of the other posts have already touched on these ideas...we've stolen, adapted, changed, and presented the Shivans a challenge...even a few defeats or stalemates in a few instances that have been presented to us.

So I think that is the great power of the humans in FreeSpace.  The other great power is the ability to set other concerns aside and make peace with the Vasudans.  Sworn enemies at the beginning of FreeSpace, it turns out that the Vasudans are part of the key to defeating the Shivans.  Its possibly this combination which may never have occurred before that ultimately defeats the Shivans.  I don't know what their long term plans were but there are quite a few themes that you can derive from the stories...some of them are probably not meant to be there strictly as such but they do come out.  Its classic story telling which makes the game all that much more immersive.

/agree


I dont think the shivans have ever met a race quite like the humans or the vasudans, imagine their shock when they meet them again in FS2 and all of a sudden the GTVA has been tech.

 

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Also one dvantage that the GTVA has and will continue to exploit is the range advantage! GTVA beams have a longer range then theyr terran counterparts! This is one way to kill of an uber ship...just start punding it before it can get in range of its own weapons and o any significant damage!

:rolleyes:

Did you forget somehow that the BFRed has only 600 meters range less than the LRBGreen?

 
Well considering that the GTVA had only scans of the Lucifers flux cannons whych are suposde to be the precursor to the moder day shivan beams it is no surprise that the shivana beams are a lot better!


Also one dvantage that the GTVA has and will continue to exploit is the range advantage! GTVA beams have a longer range then theyr terran counterparts! This is one way to kill of an uber ship...just start punding it before it can get in range of its own weapons and o any significant damage!

There is also the MJolnir cannons whyc are impresive to say the least! \

Wtf? The GTVA beams have are compared to TERRAN beams??
Wtf?
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Offline Kie99

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Well considering that the GTVA had only scans of the Lucifers flux cannons whych are suposde to be the precursor to the moder day shivan beams it is no surprise that the shivana beams are a lot better!


Also one dvantage that the GTVA has and will continue to exploit is the range advantage! GTVA beams have a longer range then theyr terran counterparts! This is one way to kill of an uber ship...just start punding it before it can get in range of its own weapons and o any significant damage!

There is also the MJolnir cannons whyc are impresive to say the least! \

Wtf? The GTVA beams have are compared to TERRAN beams??
Wtf?

Its mind numbingly obvious he meant compared to Shivan beams.
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Well considering that the GTVA had only scans of the Lucifers flux cannons whych are suposde to be the precursor to the moder day shivan beams it is no surprise that the shivana beams are a lot better!


Also one dvantage that the GTVA has and will continue to exploit is the range advantage! GTVA beams have a longer range then theyr terran counterparts! This is one way to kill of an uber ship...just start punding it before it can get in range of its own weapons and o any significant damage!

There is also the MJolnir cannons whyc are impresive to say the least! \

Wtf? The GTVA beams have are compared to TERRAN beams??
Wtf?

Its mind numbingly obvious he meant compared to Shivan beams.

Sorry, I didnt know that.
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Offline AlphaOne

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Ok i get it ! Improve mi damn english spelling already!


Also what the hell do you mean 600m ! is that it? I could of bet that GTVA beams have a range bigger then that of the shivan beams by at leat 1k ! I must check the wikipedia!

altough this does not surprise me somehow since GTVA beasm are based on shivan tech !

I believe the Mjolnir cannon is the first true GTVA beam cannon! Also Those LRBGreens should really be made to be just that Long Range not just a little more range then theie terran counterparts!

And abaout advantages I believe that the single greatest advantage should be the terran/vasudan ingenuity! The terran/vasudan minds! since well the shivans do not seem al that inventive to begin with! I mean consider the age of such a race and well they kinda suck big time! I mean in 8000 years all they could come up with were uber beams and uber ships of doom that do weird subspace stuff! Well duh i say since they are particulari sensitive to subspace developind some sort of advanced subspace tech is a logical thing to do but other then that....kinda nothing!

The shivans are a dead race as far as i'm concerned! They have the age advantage for the moment! But at the current speed with which GTVA enegniers and scientists adapt improve and evolve GTVA tech pretty soon the shivans will be left behind in the tech supremacy race!

At least that is my opinion!
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We haven't even seen a single Shivan installation or colony. One would wonder where all the Shivan supplies are stored and produced. The GTVA does have a superior intelligence branch. SoC provides invaluable data about enemy fleet position and etc. For all we know, the Shivans may have outnumber GTVA from 1 to 1,000,000,000. We're not even sure if they're from the same universe.

 
Shivans have numbers on their side.  They can sacrifice a whole juggernaut fleet as if they were just zerglings to get the job done.

The GTVA has the advantage of adaptability.  If they capture Shivan technology in its entirety, they can not only replicate it exactly, but also make significant improvements on it (SF Mara, Sekhmet, UD-8 Kayser), thereby closing the technological age gap almost instantly.

In addition, the GTVA fighter wings, one-for-one, are better than the Shivans, since they need to be in order to stand a fighting chance (GTVA has limited numbers, so they need to preserve as many pilots and combatcraft as possible to beat off Shivan swarms, hence the rearm/repair ships + generally higher hull hps).  This also means, many of these pilots gain lots of experience in combatting Shivans, which = better survival + kill more Shivans, while the average Shivan pilot is basically a rookie, and dies a rookie.

GTVA also has better anti-fighter defenses (Leviathan, Aeolus, Deimos and Sobeks all eat fighters + bombers for lunch).

Another point is that the GTVA has stealth fighters, which you could send as surgical strikers to take down key, weak targets (freighters/transports, cargo, subsystems and turrets on Shivan warships...etc.).

The most important advantage is that, the GTVA has survived two major Shivan wars already.  They will be able to survive others.

 
Well, they didn't really survived the second war. The Shivans could have completely wiped them off but they decided not to.

 

Offline S-99

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No, but in the second war when the invincible force came about the gtva was able to do something proven about it. The gtva kept the shivan advance from going any further...well if the sathani wanted to go any further...the gtva hatched the perfect plan. Now in fs1 the slaughter starts at the arrival of the shivans, and continues through out the whole game with the shivans first invincible force the lucifer. The gta and pvn didn't know what to do about the lucifer so the slaughtering it was doing it continued to do so.

There's your difference between fs1 and fs2.

Gtva has waaaayy better ships than the shivans do. Well, the fenris isn't really that great. GTVA has superior weapons (not including the beams), superior fighters, superior antifighter abilities, superior corvettes, superior destroyers. And now's where i don't don't compare gtva freighters to their shivan counterparts. :lol:
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Well, they didn't really survived the second war. The Shivans could have completely wiped them off but they decided not to.

no. The GTVA has allready planned to collapse the nods the second the first Sath was spotted. What use is a invincible armada if you can't get to your target?
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Damn i know my grammar suck big time! Get of my back i would like to see you post in romanian with the proper gramar! I'm dooing my best to improve mi spelling! Also most of these post are rush posts so some grammar mistakes have nothing to do with mi limited knoledge of english grammar!

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Yes...and try to write posts in a very very complex language(Italian or French) :P

The GTVA has the advantage of adaptability.  If they capture Shivan technology in its entirety, they can not only replicate it exactly, but also make significant improvements on it (SF Mara, Sekhmet, UD-8 Kayser), thereby closing the technological age gap almost instantly.

In FS1, technicians had serious problems with the captured Dragon. Beams are still primitive. There's no way the GTVA can "match" Shivan technology(expecially subspace technology). It can get closer...but it surely can't fill the gap.
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FS is like Star Wars. Tech stays the same after thousands of years. That's why the Shivans are no better than they were when they killed the Ancients. There's no adatibility. There's no strategy or "intelligence", in every sense of the word. There are, however, mindless BoEs, wingmen who refuse to use Trebuchets properly, and endlessly respawning wings- that's FS's idea of tactics. And MOAR BEAMs is the only way to win this way.

So it's hard to say which race is more intelligent or adaptable in FS context. Because that isn't the point of the game.

 

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The Shivans aren't supposed to use Trebuchets. And Shivan fighters are supposed to be good. I always mention the FS2 Intro.

And a species that fights against the Shivans...well, it doesn't survive. So, even if they manage to acquire Shivan technology, their fate is decided. No matter of what.
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30 years are nothing compared to the time the Shivans needed to eliminate the Ancients.
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why cant we just leave it at ":v: made the shivans weaker so you would have a chance of winning the game"?

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