[Ghostavo]

Cough, AWACs are kind of effective as proved by the gas  miner assault and tracking the Ravanna in the dirt place.

And how many kilometers it could effectively detect ships? 

If the gas mining assault is any indication it failed to detect a 6 kilometer ship!

Also note that it was a special ship who's only purpose was to act as a detection device.

[AlphaOne]

People seem to forget that the Ravana Jumped in meaning it jumped from another location exited subspace and fired on the Corvette. They did detect it but it was too late for the first corvette to flee the battlefield since there wasnt enough time to activate its jump drives.

Also the nebula was huge. The AWACS was not suposed to scan all the nebula just increase the sensor range of the GTVA within a designated area. So stop making these kinds of acusation regarding the sensor iferiority of the GTVA. sure the GTVA sensors were not up to the task as the shivan ones but then again the shivans had time to develop sensors that would work in the nebula environment.

As for the Ravana i give up it seems that no logical arguement is gooing to work. That ship is inferior in many ways. However its one thing that makes it superior is its offensive  forward firepower . thats it . Nothing more nothing less.

[Jeff Vader]

People seem to forget that the Ravana Jumped in meaning it jumped from another location exited subspace and fired on the Corvette. They did detect it but it was too late for the first corvette to flee the battlefield since there wasnt enough time to activate its jump drives.

Also the nebula was huge. The AWACS was not suposed to scan all the nebula just increase the sensor range of the GTVA within a designated area. So stop making these kinds of acusation regarding the sensor iferiority of the GTVA. sure the GTVA sensors were not up to the task as the shivan ones but then again the shivans had time to develop sensors that would work in the nebula environment.

I... hope you're not mixing two or more missions up. No AWACS was present when the Lysander and Actium were searching for the Ravana. So there wasn't even the slightest chance they could have detected it early enough for a successful retreat. A Terran AWACS was present in the aforementioned "Battle of the Wilderness" as well as "A Game of TAG", providing some edge for the GTVA in the nebula. Later during the gas miner assault, there was a Vasudan AWACS, once again being useful. But there is not telling how far the Sathanas was before it jumped to the battle scene. Even if the AWACS rocks, as they say, the nebula might still win against it on longer distances.

[AlphaOne]

Of course the Nebula would win against it at longer ranges such a fact was never in argue  what was in arguement was the fact that ppl seem to believe that if you have an AWACS in the area you should be able to detect any and all hostile forces in an entire nebula or sistem for that matter. Wrong.

Also unless shivans can actualy micro jump from 20 km away to the GTVA ships presence the shivans were pretty far out.

[Kopachris]

AWACS is of no use to me.  I can't fire that far, after all.  I just look at my radar and head for the simmering red blips.

[Grizzly]

Aeoulus, I always thought of making an Aeolus with Vesudan weaponry (since there wasn't any terran replacement avaible).

And off-course the Hatsheput, the very first capship I saw in the game.

AWACS is of no use to me.  I can't fire that far, after all.  I just look at my radar and head for the simmering red blips.

AWACS also has a lot of shimmering red blibs. The problem is that the "old" ones appear only 6 kilometers out, and the "new" ones.... Much farther.

Do not underestimate the value of technical support. It will be the last mistake you'll ever make.

[Colonol Dekker]

Alpha One,

Just wanted to say, those last few posts are a marked improvement on spelling and grammar 
(serious )

Of course the Nebula would win against it at longer ranges such a fact was never in argue  what was in arguement was the fact that ppl seem to believe that if you have an AWACS in the area you should be able to detect any and all hostile forces in an entire nebula or sistem for that matter. Wrong.

I agree, If a normal detection range without AWACS in a heavier/dender part = 0.3K (hypothetically speaking) and the AWACs boosts it to 5K, i'm happy 

[Kopachris]

Do not underestimate the value of technical support. It will be the last mistake you'll ever make.

Try telling that to my middle school.  No matter what you say, what you argue, they won't pay a 15 year old $14 per hour for part-time technical support.  They won't pay me anything, even though I do just as much work as the district IT person does at my school.  Then there's the thing about grades.  Most kids' parents at my school give them some kind of reward (once, I heard $100 cash, other time I heard a laptop(!)) for getting straight A's.  I'm expected to get straight A's.  I get a B+ in Algebra 2 (a grade ahead), and they say I'm slacking and scold me.  Ah, well.  If it'll help me get into Stanford.

[Admiral_Stones]

I hear you bro, I hear you.

[Ghostavo]

Also the nebula was huge. The AWACS was not suposed to scan all the nebula just increase the sensor range of the GTVA within a designated area. So stop making these kinds of acusation regarding the sensor iferiority of the GTVA. sure the GTVA sensors were not up to the task as the shivan ones but then again the shivans had time to develop sensors that would work in the nebula environment.

I'm getting confused as to what you are arguing about. You tell me to stop making acusations regarding the sensor inferiority of the GTVA followed by telling that the GTVA were not up to the task as the Shivan ones? 

They might have taken 3 billion years to develop those sensors while the GTVA's might have been a 3 minute job, but that's not the point. Their sensors are better, that's what's being argued.

[Grogs]

on a less argumentative (spelling?) note, an old school orion or the Hatsheput

[Kie99]

on a less argumentative (spelling?) note, an old school orion or the Hatsheput

Hatsheput has beams, Orion doesn't, no contest.

[Kopachris]

on a less argumentative (spelling?) note, an old school orion or the Hatsheput

Just to make life a little easier for you, Firefox has a built-in spell-checker.  (argumentative was spelled correctly, btw )

[Killer Whale]

 I don't like the nebula, i only play nebula missions so i can get to the next one, visual detection and auto targetting is my favourite sort, but doesn't work in a nebula. I just target an incoming hostile (by tapping b, e, or h [in that order on importance]) and burn towards it, but that leaves my wingmates behind, and i always bear the brunt of the defences, but they are the ones that get killed (?!)!!
 As to ravana or orion, well, they are better in certain situations. If a ravana was defending an area, and an orion with bombers jumped in behind it. The orion would probably win. If the ravana jumped the orion, unless alpha 1 and his ability to see the future was there, the ravana would almost certainly win. If they went head on, fighters and bombers ahead, it would be pretty close (if they started out of range i'd guess orion, if they started within range i'd guess ravana, but seeing as alpha 1 in a terran and the orion is terran, it might not work out that way), if the orion was defending an area, and the ravana jumped in broadside, the ravana would win but recieve damage, if.... You could go on for ages. They are good in their own ways, you can't compare an apple and an orange, but if you call them fruit (ergo, in a certain situation) you can.

 I think the sobek is a fantastic combat ship. It's armour is quite strong for it's size, and it can dish out damage just the same. It can hold it's ground for quite a while, and if deployed correctly, can prove a dire threat to any and all destroyers (against a sath, there are just a couple of anit-wareship beams on it's backside to take it out). If deployed with alpha 1 arriving beforehand, it can proove a terrible threat to any warship (not sure about collie though). I choose it as my favourite ship, for it's small size, and suprising firepower.

 The Sathanas Juggernaut is a truly dreadfull ship. It's four main beam cannons can rip through almost anything infront of it, and in charging through node to node, it is a superior threat. It can easily tear down blockades and shred any warship the GTVA has in front of it. But it's weakness is it's less protected body, which compared to it's foreward weaponry, is terrible. But to take one down is a victory to be joyfull for, and i love watching them blow up. Defeating multiple juggernauts is a very triumphant experience. So i choose this as my second favourite FS2 warship because i love blowing them up!! Which is quite a task.

[Snail]

I don't like the nebula, i only play nebula missions so i can get to the next one, visual detection and auto targetting is my favourite sort, but doesn't work in a nebula. I just target an incoming hostile (by tapping b, e, or h [in that order on importance]) and burn towards it, but that leaves my wingmates behind, and i always bear the brunt of the defences, but they are the ones that get killed (?!)!!

If you like visual confirmation you could try using the [Y] key. It targets stuff in your reticle.

I think the sobek is a fantastic combat ship. It's armour is quite strong for it's size, and it can dish out damage just the same. It can hold it's ground for quite a while, and if deployed correctly, can prove a dire threat to any and all destroyers (against a sath, there are just a couple of anit-wareship beams on it's backside to take it out). If deployed with alpha 1 arriving beforehand, it can proove a terrible threat to any warship (not sure about collie though). I choose it as my favourite ship, for it's small size, and suprising firepower.

The Sobek ain't that good. Sure, it has 5,000 more hitpoints than the Deimos, but that doesn't count for much. The Deimos is better than it in many other respects. The Sobek has only 2 very exposed anti-cap beam cannons which means, disable those two, the Sobek's a sittin' duck. The Deimos has 4 beam cannons which means it's a lot harder to disarm it.

The Sathanas Juggernaut is a truly dreadfull ship. It's four main beam cannons can rip through almost anything infront of it, and in charging through node to node, it is a superior threat. It can easily tear down blockades and shred any warship the GTVA has in front of it. But it's weakness is it's less protected body, which compared to it's foreward weaponry, is terrible. But to take one down is a victory to be joyfull for, and i love watching them blow up. Defeating multiple juggernauts is a very triumphant experience. So i choose this as my second favourite FS2 warship because i love blowing them up!! Which is quite a task.

The problem with all your "Jump Behind Sathanas And We Win Hands Down" tactic is that even if you do damage the Sathanas a lot with your Fenris' LTerSlashes, it'll just turn around and vape you before you've done any significant damage.

[Admiral_Stones]

So you just fly broadside, always turn with the Sath and let Blob Turrets, AAAf and the Fusion Mortar do the job.

[Snail]

The Sath can turn faster than you can move, I would think.

[Droid803]

Since when did the Sobek have 85000 HP? I've always though all corvettes had 80000 (Aside from the Iceni).

The main thing that makes the Sobek better than the Deimos is its raw forward anti-capital firepower. The Sobek has 2 Vslash as opposed to two 2 TerSlash, but its got gaping blind-spots in anti-captial (anywhere but front), and antifighter (bottom).

And yea, the Sath probably turns faster than you can move, partially because its so huge.

[Kopachris]

And yea, the Sath probably turns faster than you can move, partially because its so huge.

If the Sathanas was smaller, but turned at the same rate, it would take longer to turn.  Because it's so big, the ends are turning dramatically faster than the middle.  In other words, yes... I think.

[Admiral_Stones]

Oh yea. Darn lever laws.

Anyway, if it is close enough the Fenris might manage to fly in between the BFRed spikes...