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Offline jakeslogan

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Hey, u guys, stop posting black in black. :mad: I don't want to highlight these sentences each time I want to read them. :hopping:
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
But the point is that some people might not want to see them since they contain spoilers.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Hey, u guys, stop posting black in black. :mad: I don't want to highlight these sentences each time I want to read them. :hopping:

Hit ctrl-a, read to your liking.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
I just finished! My thoughts.

ST:R was a pleasure. In a sense I think it's the Halo of Freespace campaigns -- though it's not the most innovative or risky campaign in terms of FREDding or storytelling, it's polished, it's engaging, it exudes character, and it's got enough twists (like 'He Who Rides the Tiger' or the Karnak incident) to keep the player guessing at what's going to come next.

Difficulty was a little variable, but the peaks weren't awful and every mission provided the tools necessary to get it done. I will admit that Return to Ross 128 had me gritting my teeth a bit, but other than that and the EMP instant-kill, I never felt like I'd been cheated out of a completed mission.

The voice acting was fantastically polished, especially for an amateur release. Though there weren't any standout Mackie-type characters, that's keeping in line with the FS2 campaign, and several of the rebel commanders were memorable.
Spoiler:
What happened to Admiral Glaive? He escaped, but it was never specified if he'd taken command of the Hades, unless I missed something big. I'll also admit that the psychotic Vasudans threw me off a bit; I wish 'someone set us up the bomb' had been some kind of easter egg, rather than being thrown out right in front.

The FSPort MediaVPs were a blessing. I particularly appreciated the HTL Karnak. I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of the Hades.

It's odd how sedate capital ship engagements are in FS1. Without flak and beams, the main threat becomes those damn Lokis! I appreciated seeing the role of space superiority fighters foregrounded. Anyone who crackes jokes about 'Alpha 1 teh uber' has clearly never tried to perform a bombing run with a couple Lokis on their tail.

Best of all was ST:R's success at pulling together loose ends from FS1 and tying them into FS2, even going so far as to explain the Hades on Deneb. I was afraid the campaign would end at 'Secrets Reborn', which would've been a disappointment -- so the next few missions were a gift!

It's certainly true that the final mission was a bit of an anticlimax. The addition of some dueling cruisers or background fighter engagements could've done a lot to increase the epic feel.
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Alternating waves of GTI and Alliance reinforcements -- GTI cruisers, the Orff, GTI bombers, Vasudan fighters -- might have been one way to handle that. Alternatively, perhaps the Hades could have attempted to maneuver away via sublight, and Alpha 1 would have to help defend allied craft as they moved into blocking position? Who knows.

Like a good writer, I'm delivering more constructive criticism than praise. Let me conclude, then, by saying that ST:R is by far closest in spirit, quality, and mission design to the retail Freespace campaigns. And that's exactly what it should be. It's a coherent, detailed reimagining of a somewhat flawed chapter of the Freespace legacy. It succeeds at that, and succeeds beyond -- its story brings Terran and Vasudan together, sets up the NTF (in a hands-off kind of way), and meshes perfectly with existing canon in the process.

ST:R will be the metric by which future campaigns are measured -- not because it's the best (calling one campaign the best is silly) but because it does everything so well. I was more emotionally affected by Blue Planet, and more taken with The Procyon Insurgency's canny mission design, but both of them are in a way defined by this grand centerpiece.

My compliments to the team, and I look forward to what you produce next!

EDIT: looking back this review seems kind of tepid. So let me say one more time how thoroughly I enjoyed this campaign. It has fewer weaknesses than any other user-made campaign out there. The pacing of the story is spot-on, the development of the crisis is believable and realistic, and the motivations of the rebellion are fully fleshed out in a way I thought was really ingenious.

If only it could have somehow made the Zeus appealing! I ended up taking a heavier bomber on every mission where the Zeus was the default.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2009, 02:10:57 am by General Battuta »

 

Offline Goober5000

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Awesome review, General. :)  I've posted it on ModDB along with the others.

Spoiler:
What happened to Admiral Glaive? He escaped, but it was never specified if he'd taken command of the Hades, unless I missed something big. I'll also admit that the psychotic Vasudans threw me off a bit; I wish 'someone set us up the bomb' had been some kind of easter egg, rather than being thrown out right in front.
Spoiler:
That bit with Glaive escaping was left intentionally obscure.  It's possible he's captaining the Hades; it's possible he went off to tutor Bosch; who knows.  We decided to leave it open-ended to see what people's favorite pet theories were.

As for the Vasudans, that was intended to be comic relief at a point of high suspense in the campaign. :)

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The FSPort MediaVPs were a blessing. I particularly appreciated the HTL Karnak. I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of the Hades.
Galemp and VA will be glad to hear that. :)

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I was afraid the campaign would end at 'Secrets Reborn', and frankly I was disappointed -- the next few missions were a gift!
Wha...?  You were disappointed -- does that mean you wanted the campaign to end at that point? :p

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It's certainly true that the final mission was a bit of an anticlimax. The addition of some dueling cruisers or background fighter engagements could've done a lot to increase the epic feel.

Spoiler:
Alternating waves of GTI and Alliance reinforcements -- GTI cruisers, the Orff, GTI bombers, Vasudan fighters -- might have been one way to handle that. Alternatively, perhaps the Hades could have attempted to maneuver away via sublight, and Alpha 1 would have to help defend allied craft as they moved into blocking position? Who knows.
Spoiler:
Yeah, but see, the Hades was making a mad dash into Deneb to escape to Vasudan space before it could be stopped, and the Soyakaze was making a mad dash into Deneb to stop the Hades before it could escape.  Most of the T-V and GTI fleets were tied up fighting each other in Beta Aquilae and Vega. :)  We wanted the last mission to be a one-on-one (plus the Orff) confrontation.

Did you try replaying it with the Zeus?  That's how the mission was FREDded, balanced, and tested.

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If only it could have somehow made the Zeus appealing! I ended up taking a heavier bomber on every mission where the Zeus was the default.
Bah!  "The Wait" was custom-tailored especially for the Zeus, and "Last Stand" was made with the Zeus foremost in mind. :sigh:

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Spoiler:
-If its soo easy to destroy the "karnak" by just sending a bomber to blow the reactor, why all other GTI Bombers try to blow up the station in the hard way?
A wizard told them to. :nervous:

-MM the Krios msg in "Betrayed" gets cut up somethines because it gets destroyed before finish the dialoge, the initial delay is way too much, the Krios take too much time to hail the pilots...
The timing is fine for me.  Are you afterburning toward the Krios?  Are you using cheats?

-the GTC Vali gives a Texture reemplacement error in Chasing Shadows using debug build, i think is missing the nameplate...
That has been fixed.

-The only mission that it seens to be "isolated" from the plot is the fist one, with is the same than in the original ST, but i dont understand, it where just some pilots that attacked the Vasudans because they whant it?, also there where no command monitoring that battle previusly?
"Terran pilots fired on Vasudans with intent to kill."  One of GTI's priorities is to stop overzealous pilots from jeopardizing the Terran-Vasudan truce.  In this particular case, the fighting had already started, so GTI had to sanitize it.  As for Command, what do you mean?

BTW, is clear that those Repulse fighters destroyed the convoy, as well is really clear that they whould have kill you if wast of the Krios arriving in time, for the first time, the Shivans saved the player :P
Excellent catch. :)  We hoped that players would figure out things like this. :)

Spoiler:
About Secrets Reborn, i just departed my wings by accident and Bragi and Skadi just ignore me, as well Epsilon never came.
This will give you an idea of the departed ships, it was well before the cruisers arrive.
http://i39.tinypic.com/288yu5k.jpg
The cruisers have already arrived in that screenshot.  Once that happens, the Lokis stop targeting you and start firing on the cruisers.

Also, the drydock... it makes targeting a nightmare, you may hide it? or use neutral?
If we hid the drydock, it would make the player think there were more untargetable Lokis flying around. :(

BTW, there is a bonus goal for destroying the freighters? there is no time to destroy them, but is posible to destroy its cargo.
There are two bonus goals.  One for destroying the science cruisers, and one for destroying the cargo.

  

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Using neutral for the drydock (like we did in Forced Hand) should work, they can still be targeted and destroyed with bombs but won't auto-target as hostiles (which is frustrating when trying to pop the sentry guns.)
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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Yeah, but considering they're attached to the station, it might be weird if they didn't match the station's IFF.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2009, 01:05:15 am by Goober5000 »

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
* Androgeos Exeunt notes that Goober5000 double-posted.

I actually thought that the Zeus is the most ideal ship to fly in The Wait. I also laud its stopping power, which apparently is much better than any other Terran ship.
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Quote: 16 September 2016 Friday, 2028hrs UTC+8, #hard-light
[20:28:44] <Hades> i want you guys to know that i'm using the stop font as my irc font
[20:28:46] <Hades> it is a bad time
[20:29:12] <Oddgrim-Work> Change the font to vasudan standard and then you'll have a bad time
[20:29:24] <Hades> http://i.imgur.com/N2f8qA4.png
[20:29:47] <z64555> change the font to vasudan comic sans, then you'll have a real bad time
[20:30:02] <Oddgrim-Work> Thats a terrible font
[20:30:06] <EvilBagel> comic headz

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Edited my post for clarity on the 'disappointment' thing -- I meant to say that the presence of more missions reversed my imminent disappointment and replaced it with joy.

I think I'll replay 'Last Stand' with the Zeus.

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
I just finished playing this.

100% WIN!  :D :yes:

Give yourselves a pat on the back, that was truly a master piece!

I can honestly say that has been the best thing I have played in a long time. Everything was done so well! The voice acting was great and I loved the scripted sequences ("My perimeter what n-Argh!") and little easter eggs (They's in ur cargo steelin' bosch b33r... in ur base Lone Wolf :eek2:) :D

It really shows the time and effort that went in to this mod. The work by the MediaVP and FSPort teams is what pushed it past merely Great and into Epic Win  ;)

Do you reckon we could get Volition to get GOG to bundle this with their retail Silent Threat?  ;7

P.S.> Is there a specific paypal link or should I just donate to HLP? I would totally buy this campaign if it was retail, so I figure this is a good alternative :)
« Last Edit: January 10, 2009, 10:32:59 am by Cyker »

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Do you reckon we could get Volition to get GOG to bundle this with their retail Silent Threat?  ;7
Doubt it, but if new people who buy FS2 from GOG stumble upon HLP, I'm sure they'll spot ST:R. Oh, the acronyms...
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Oh, the acronyms...

I've seen worse. ;)
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Quote: 16 September 2016 Friday, 2028hrs UTC+8, #hard-light
[20:28:44] <Hades> i want you guys to know that i'm using the stop font as my irc font
[20:28:46] <Hades> it is a bad time
[20:29:12] <Oddgrim-Work> Change the font to vasudan standard and then you'll have a bad time
[20:29:24] <Hades> http://i.imgur.com/N2f8qA4.png
[20:29:47] <z64555> change the font to vasudan comic sans, then you'll have a real bad time
[20:30:02] <Oddgrim-Work> Thats a terrible font
[20:30:06] <EvilBagel> comic headz

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
I've seen worse. ;)
As has anyone who ever set foot in the Inferno folder. :p

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
I've seen worse. ;)
As has anyone who ever set foot in the Inferno folder. :p
Oh, that. The whole INFASA... CASA... MASA... thingie. Personally, I'm hoping to see INFastructure some day.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 
Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Just finished the campaign (my comp died before christmas and its taken this long to get it back into FS shape) and I must say this is one of the most enjoyable campaigns I've ever played.  The story, action, everything felt like authentic FS, and its leaps and bounds ahead of the old Silent Threat in terms of being a worthy expansion to FS1.  My only gripe is that there aren't more missions, it was that good.

My hat's off to the entire team that made this amazing campaign.  Job well done.
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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Sure beat the pants out of whatever GTI Rebellion wouldve been.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Hey guys,

I'm having a small problem with ST:R,

I can't get the mission after
Spoiler:
Jotunheim destruction
to work: It says 1 ship class is missing and the mission won't load. The error appears when the first loading light is on.

My launcher path is H:\Games\FreeSpace2\fs2_open_3_6_10r-20081225_r5020.exe -mod fsport_mediavps,Nedohraný mody\str,fsport,mediavps

(Nedohraný mody is a folder in my fs 2 folder where i have str.

Thanks for any ideas!

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
H:\Games\FreeSpace2\fs2_open_3_6_10r-20081225_r5020.exe -mod fsport_mediavps,Nedohraný mody\str,fsport,mediavps

(Nedohraný mody is a folder in my fs 2 folder where i have str.
Uh, wat. Could you provide screenshots of your folders or a directory list that tells what folders you have and what files you have in the folders? Or just run a debug build and post the fs2_open.log file it generates. It will also provide this information.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2009, 06:58:38 am by Lobo »
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: SILENT THREAT: REBORN RELEASED
Perhaps the game can't read ý? Or maybe it can't read spaces in the file directory.
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Quote: 16 September 2016 Friday, 2028hrs UTC+8, #hard-light
[20:28:44] <Hades> i want you guys to know that i'm using the stop font as my irc font
[20:28:46] <Hades> it is a bad time
[20:29:12] <Oddgrim-Work> Change the font to vasudan standard and then you'll have a bad time
[20:29:24] <Hades> http://i.imgur.com/N2f8qA4.png
[20:29:47] <z64555> change the font to vasudan comic sans, then you'll have a real bad time
[20:30:02] <Oddgrim-Work> Thats a terrible font
[20:30:06] <EvilBagel> comic headz