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Heil Israel! :nervous:

The rest of your argument may or may not be valid, I can't judge, and frankly, I don't care, but what's above these words is worth only one response:

:beamz:

Bah. If the Israel government doesn't want to be compared with natzi's then they should stop acting like them.
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I never said they were all radical.  I was merely saying the Hamas is a radical Islamic government.  Its citizens are not forced to think exactly the same way.  Fatah is actually a moderate group, and is supported by about 41% of the population.

Apparently, everyone who sez anything against Israel is a radical. Not a big difference.



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Some more eveidence against:

And everything you post is automaticly considered hard evidence? Everything contrary is terrorist propaganda or lies from immoral and stupid soldiers. What do those soldiers have to gain from lying like that I wonder?


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TrashMan, the Mossad are at your house.

That's all right. I boobie trapped it. Let the pussies come.
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I boobie trapped it.

And that right there is the whole f*cking problem!!  That's why the RoE is as it is.

 

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My turf man. You got no right to tresspass.
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And launching rockets into Israel isn't a form of trespassing?
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Isn't the invasion of the West Bank also trespassing? :p
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So everyone in Gaza is a terrorist? Or at least anyone who tells anything wrong about the IDF?

Yes! that is exactly what I have been saying all along! Good job!

I will quote myself “(I'm talking about the terrorist groups which for some reason constitute a reliable source for so many.)”

How do you get everyone in Gaza is a terrorist out of that? I'm afraid I may say something about terrorists and you will start an argument about evolution or something.

Just in case you are wondering if under a communist government to speak up against it is so dangerous imagine what it is under a fundamentalist radical Islamic terrorist government then maybe you will understand that if you are are in Gaza and you don't have anything nice to say... you don't say anything at all. They hang people all the time for even talking to an Israeli. So yes the people who speak up are in general the ones on the Hamas payroll or at least ones who don't want their families dragged off in the middle of the night never to be heard of again.

And the sweet , innocent kiddes don't have a history od doing anything wrong, ever... like runnign people over with bulldozers? :rolleyes:

eh? What? Rachel Corrie? The girl who sat down in front of an armored D9... you ever been in one of those? You can't exactly see very well as it is let alone what is directly in front of you. Besides there were claims she was standing with a megaphone that she was on a hill and that there was no weapons tunnel.

Well She was standing on a hill with a megaphone when between 2-4pm when the bulldozer didn't run into her.

But when she was run over at 5pm she was sitting on flat ground and she was run over. Which was exactly what the ISM said they wanted in the first place.

You don't sure anonymus, you sue the news agency. You ban it form the country and sue it. Believe me, that's too high a cost to pay, regardlesss of how "hot" the news is. Under such circumstances, they'd even tell who their source was.

Haha we did that already it doesn't do anything They just get their stories second hand and no one knows the diffrence. CNN (or was it BBC) was only available upon special request for a number of years.

4. The trucks are not allowed to cross the border in the first place. Israel regulary stops who convoys of humanitarian aid.

Yes we stop our own convoys. Brilliant. That's using logic to decipher if information you are getting might be doctored. Way to go. Have a cookie.

Better than living in the streets, treated like dirt, kicked out of your house and half your family and firends killed by now. with more getting killed every day. And like that for your whole life. Don't talk about "unbearable living conditions". People in Gaza have it FAR worse.

I see. So first of all after your visit of compassion to the Gaza strip where I can only assume you witnessed the great suffering and unbearable living condition of the Palestinian people... hmm wait no that seems unlikely I wonder how you would know this. Well lets put that aside for now...

Let's say this was exactly the way things were there. Would your suggestion be to the Israelis stop bombing them in response to their attacks and let your aid truck drivers keep going and get killed when they are shot at and eventually everything will be okay in a few years. Or maybe your suggestion should be to the Palestinians to let the trucks through to not let Hamas bully them out of their food to stop shooting rockets aimed at civilians and maybe for some unprecedented reason Israel, who has no history of living at peace with any Arabs or Palestinians (Egypt, Jordan, West Bank has been quite latley, all the hundreds of Arab towns spread across Israel that don't have a single checkpoint between them and the rest of the population and on and on...), will live and let live.
 
Maybe I just don't like killing other innocent people as much as you do and using ridiculous excuses and flimy(and I dare say horrific) justifications like love.

Love is a flimsy and horrific justification? If the Palestinians loved each other more than they hated us they wouldn't be attacking and they wouldn't be getting ***** slapped.

If they did it now they would be.

Well that is F-ed up.

Understand Radical Judaism and it's goals first. Understand that despite what the world would have you believe everything is not all just a product of your circumstances and evil does exist.

What does radical Judaism have to do with this? And who the hell cares about them anyway I have said it before I have a big problem with Orthodox Jews (the radical Jews) and the settlers and I think they should both go and form their own country in the west bank territories and they can die defending it themselves. I will tell you that at least 80% of IDF soldiers hate them and despise having to protect them. A further 15% don't hate them but don't agree with them. I made those statistics up of course from my own discussions and experiences with IDF soldier over many years and the population here in general. In fact I even lied a little because I never talked to a single soldier who liked them or supported them but since I assume there have to be some out there I still left them 5% support.

See the difference is we don't worship our radical activists and post their pictures on the wall and teach their names to be revered by school children because they died blowing up school children.

Heres a video from the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs (obviously propaganda right?) talks a little bit about your precious human shields

And here is an inside look into who is running the show in Gaza

Escape from Hamas:

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Part 5 of 6
Part 6 of 6

Isn't the invasion of the West Bank also trespassing? :p

First off when was that done recently or do you mean Gaza? And secondly since they have in 60+ years never stopped hostilities toward Israel both of those territories can be legally annexed... I didn't say settled because I disagree with the current settlers. But the IDF military presence there is completely within international law.
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What do you mean "when was that done recently?" :lol:

Israel has been involved in an ongoing invasion of the West Bank for years!
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What do you mean "when was that done recently?" :lol:

Israel has been involved in an ongoing invasion of the West Bank for years!

You mean the part where IDF forces pushed back invading armies and captured territory that was being illegally held by Egypt and Jordan and annexed those territories in a time of war which continues to this very day?

Oh but this DID happen. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1237727563412&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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How do you get everyone in Gaza is a terrorist out of that? I'm afraid I may say something about terrorists and you will start an argument about evolution or something.

Just in case you are wondering if under a communist government to speak up against it is so dangerous imagine what it is under a fundamentalist radical Islamic terrorist government then maybe you will understand that if you are are in Gaza and you don't have anything nice to say... you don't say anything at all. They hang people all the time for even talking to an Israeli. So yes the people who speak up are in general the ones on the Hamas payroll or at least ones who don't want their families dragged off in the middle of the night never to be heard of again.

That's a strawman argument and shallow, since it can practicely be used everywhere in any country. Did my country keep out reporters? No. Did the USA? No.
Truly, massive losses of lives happened because of that! Whole troop divisions were led into ambushes! :rolleyes:
Excuses. Shallow excuses everywhere.

Keeping the news people out is done neither for their security nor the security of the troops.



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Haha we did that already it doesn't do anything They just get their stories second hand and no one knows the diffrence. CNN (or was it BBC) was only available upon special request for a number of years.

So what sensitive troop movement did they leak? Don't recall ever hearing anything about that.
Not to mention that unless the camera is showing battleplans with coordinates that is totally useless. The news could give so little information of any military value that it's simply preposterous. It's not like they give the the numbers, armament and future troop deployment in detail.



Yes we stop our own convoys. Brilliant. That's using logic to decipher if information you are getting might be doctored. Way to go. Have a cookie.

Did I say they were Israeli convoys? Humanitarian aid for Gaza comes from all over the world.



I see. So first of all after your visit of compassion to the Gaza strip where I can only assume you witnessed the great suffering and unbearable living condition of the Palestinian people... hmm wait no that seems unlikely I wonder how you would know this. Well lets put that aside for now...

Would you believe me if I told you I did visit recently? No? Thought so...


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Let's say this was exactly the way things were there. Would your suggestion be to the Israelis stop bombing them in response to their attacks and let your aid truck drivers keep going and get killed when they are shot at and eventually everything will be okay in a few years. Or maybe your suggestion should be to the Palestinians to let the trucks through to not let Hamas bully them out of their food to stop shooting rockets aimed at civilians and maybe for some unprecedented reason Israel, who has no history of living at peace with any Arabs or Palestinians (Egypt, Jordan, West Bank has been quite latley, all the hundreds of Arab towns spread across Israel that don't have a single checkpoint between them and the rest of the population and on and on...), will live and let live.

Oh yes. Trucks with humanitarian aid butchered to no end. It us so terrible no one wants to drive there anymore! The horror!

CLEARLY the only logical action is to stop aid delivery cause some if might end up in the hands of Hamas. Golly gee, Hamas would never give it to the people! They never do anything for the people!
 



Love is a flimsy and horrific justification? If the Palestinians loved each other more than they hated us they wouldn't be attacking and they wouldn't be getting ***** slapped.

No, the pretex of "doing it for love" is horrificly twisted.
If Israeli loved eachother more than they hated arabs, they wouldn't be occuping their homes abd would be getting rockets as gifts for their brotherly love.
Is that the best you can do? Guilt transfer?
That's the oldest, most basic psychological trick in the book. Newsflash - projecting ones own guilt on others (as in, he "forced" me to do this, ergo, it's his fault) works only on weak-mined fools.



Well that is F-ed up.

No, that's reality.

Last time I checked, slavery was OK in the past. So it would be terribly wrong of you to protest if I take you as a slave...right?
Comon' slave boy!



What does radical Judaism have to do with this?

What? Never noticed the fast that most of your government and military are just as radical and retarded as the worst palestinin terrorists?
Don't you know history? The first leaders of Israel were radical terrorists.
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The first leaders of Israel were radical terrorists.

Don't you know history?  The first leaders of the United States were radical terrorists.

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That's a strawman argument and shallow, since it can practicely be used everywhere in any country. Did my country keep out reporters? No. Did the USA? No.
Truly, massive losses of lives happened because of that! Whole troop divisions were led into ambushes!
Excuses. Shallow excuses everywhere.

 :wtf:  Did you quote the wrong part of the post?  He wasn't even talking about reporters, he was talking about the state of speech freedoms (or lack thereof) in Gaza, and how people get killed for saying anything good about Israel.

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Humanitarian aid for Gaza comes from all over the world.

And gets stopped all over the world.  Or did you conveniently forget my post earlier?

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4. The trucks are not allowed to cross the border in the first place. Israel regulary stops who convoys of humanitarian aid.

.... As of November 2008.  The aid that has been stopped has been:  one boat by Israel, a convoy in Rafah (another Palestinian State), some convoys in Tunisia.  Oh, and don't forget that the U.N. Aid program stopped its aid to Gaza too!  Wow, all that must be Israel stopping the convoys, huh?

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Never noticed the fast that most of your government and military are just as radical and retarded as the worst palestinin terrorists?

Have to say that isn't a fact.  Granted, the government since the elections is more radical than before, during the war it was made up of moderates.  And the military argument is like saying that everyone in the U.S. military is a raving liberal.  Just because the government is made up of them.

 

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The first leaders of Israel were radical terrorists.

Don't you know history?  The first leaders of the United States were radical terrorists.

Rebels techincly. I don't recall them actually doing acts of terrorism, unlike in the begining of the glorious state of Israel




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He wasn't even talking about reporters, he was talking about the state of speech freedoms (or lack thereof) in Gaza, and how people get killed for saying anything good about Israel.

Or anything bad about Israel.
They're best off just keeping quiet, right?
Because the state of speech in Gaza is exactly how Israel sez it is? Again, a convenient excuse to not allow anyone to talk to people. Too convenint.
Wars happen in other countries. People are thretend in other conficts too. people can lie in other wars too. Still no one was stopping journalists.



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Humanitarian aid for Gaza comes from all over the world.

And gets stopped all over the world.  Or did you conveniently forget my post earlier?

MOST of it gets stopped by Israel.



Hehe..I see you haven't responed to things related to slavery and love. Cat got your tounge?


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That's a strawman argument and shallow, since it can practicely be used everywhere in any country. Did my country keep out reporters? No. Did the USA? No.
Truly, massive losses of lives happened because of that! Whole troop divisions were led into ambushes! :rolleyes:
Excuses. Shallow excuses everywhere.

Wha... I'm at a total loss for words. How can you go from arguing about how the only people who will speak up from Gaza are the ones who will speak up against Israel under threat of death by the Hamas to keeping out reporters?

Keeping the news people out is done neither for their security nor the security of the troops.

I was under no illusion that it was done for the protection of the news crews but it was for the protection of the troops. Even Hizbollah after the 2nd Lebanon wars said that they were aided by being shown by the 'western pigs own technology' where to strike. So we have me who took part in the 2nd Lebanon war who saw this in practice from the Israeli side where there was far to much shown on TV AND Hizbollah claims that they were aided by what was given out on the news. And then we have you whose only basis for claiming that they weren't aided by what was reported on TV is that you don't want it to be true.

So what sensitive troop movement did they leak? Don't recall ever hearing anything about that.
Not to mention that unless the camera is showing battleplans with coordinates that is totally useless. The news could give so little information of any military value that it's simply preposterous. It's not like they give the the numbers, armament and future troop deployment in detail.

Interesting. okay so first It doesn't even have to be "sensitive" information. All it has to be is in real time and it gives out enough to know where the troops are and what direction they are heading. And they don't even have to say where they are I identified half the backdrops for the newscasters from satellite photos imagine how many locations Hizbollah could identify since it was their 'playground'. I love how you think terrorists are so dumb. I wish it were the case. And claiming that all other information would have been useless you either A. Never been in the military B. you have but because you are in Europe, IIRC, you have had no wars and therefore no need to learn first hand what it is to fight in a modern combat zone. and thank God for that... Believe it or not I envy you in that respect.

Second I was doing a search to try and find some links for you but every time it was mentioned that "a lot of official information was available in real time." It was overshadowed by the rest of the article talking about how "DURING THE RECENT month-long war between Hezbollah and Israel, U.N. "peacekeeping" forces made a startling contribution: They openly published daily real-time intelligence, of obvious usefulness to Hezbollah, on the location, equipment, and force structure of Israeli troops in Lebanon."

No wonder Israelis can't stand the UN haha. Here's the article although I saw it was published in many different places.

Did I say they were Israeli convoys? Humanitarian aid for Gaza comes from all over the world.


No, but I did. I am telling you that they are Israeli convoys and that every single day there are Israeli trucks with Israeli supplies paid for by the Israeli government at the border. What do you think they are doing there? Trying to taunt the Palestinians? by loading the trucks driving cross country to the border crossing and then getting turned back by their own troops? get real. There is a reason there is a blockade on the strip. Because in foreign 'aid' packages they like to throw in a few grenades and missile launchers and searching the boat will not always find those weapons which is why Israel sends aid itself because it knows there are no hidden surprises that will come back and bite them in the ass. If they want to bite the hand that feeds them thats their tough luck.

Would you believe me if I told you I did visit recently? No? Thought so...

Sure why not? I would believe it because a person of your views would surely want to record his journy so you can just show me some pictures or your little blog posts. I would believe it. But because of what you say and how you say it I know you haven't unless you were blindfolded the whole way in or you are just lying to my face.

Oh yes. Trucks with humanitarian aid butchered to no end. It us so terrible no one wants to drive there anymore! The horror!

CLEARLY the only logical action is to stop aid delivery cause some if might end up in the hands of Hamas. Golly gee, Hamas would never give it to the people! They never do anything for the people!

First of all the trucks haven't stopped they just turn around when they are shot at. Secondly if that doesn't bug you I would like to extended you the position of aid truck driver and see what you do when they decide that they want to shoot at you because you are not Arab.

And really if you think the Hamas takes good care of the people you have your head buried somewhere just look up in other arguments on the same subject there have been plenty of posts about what the Hamas does. And if you still aren't convinced I invite you to come visit them in fact I encourage you to do so. Gain a little real life perspective away from your computer screen.

No, the pretex of "doing it for love" is horrificly twisted.
If Israeli loved eachother more than they hated arabs, they wouldn't be occuping their homes abd would be getting rockets as gifts for their brotherly love.
Is that the best you can do? Guilt transfer?
That's the oldest, most basic psychological trick in the book. Newsflash - projecting ones own guilt on others (as in, he "forced" me to do this, ergo, it's his fault) works only on weak-mined fools.

Wait wait. So you believe that Israelis hate the Arabs and we want to do things to them? You just stuck your foot in your mouth my friend. Because as has been pointed out soooooooooo many times there are hundreds and thousands or Arabs living within Israeli borders some are Christians some are Muslims some are atheists none are under military occupation or even behind a checkpoint or fence. The main north south road crossing Israel ends in the North into a Muslim Arab town of 43k+ called Umm Al-Fahm where to go east is to drive straight through the town. On the way you will notice most the signs are in Arabic some also have Hebrew the cars traveling through are 80% Israelis and there are no checkpoints no one throwing stones no one glaring at you for being different.

To reach my home in Gilo (a neighborhood of Jerusalem) you drive past Beit Tzafafa and Shuafat both situated between Jerusalem proper and the neighborhood of Gilo again both are Muslim Arab towns with no road blocks or police presence in fact I go to work with many of the the residents. When I pull A night shift the guy that drives me home is an arab from those villages and sometime we drive through those villages to drop off or pick up people and I never feel at risk because hes my friend. We get along because his beliefs don't encompass the part of wanting to kill me for being a Jew or an Israeli or a non Muslim. We get along because all these people love that now that they are not fighting they have jobs and houses and cars and electricity and water and no one bugs them.

I could go on and on and on with hundreds of examples but my point is you are flat out wrong to suggest Israelis are motivated by a hatred for Arabs. Israelis have a long proven track record of having no problem living alongside Arabs. Live and let live.

I don't study psychology and I don't know any tricks. I know fact and fact is that we live with Arabs in Israel in peace. Where can you show me the same kind of tolerance being reciprocated from your buddy's in Gaza and the West Bank? So the point stands if the Palestinians loved life more than death. If they loved each other more than hated us they wouldn't have any problems with Israel.

No, that's reality.

Last time I checked, slavery was OK in the past. So it would be terribly wrong of you to protest if I take you as a slave...right?
Comon' slave boy!

No, That's war. What are you in some kind of 'we shouldn't have killed Hitler and destroyed Nazi Germany' youth movement? Get real. War is war and it's never pretty but you would charge the allies with war crimes for bombing Berlin?

What? Never noticed the fast that most of your government and military are just as radical and retarded as the worst palestinin terrorists?
Don't you know history? The first leaders of Israel were radical terrorists.

First of all I never noticed 'the fast' please tell me what it's about.
Second of all no I never noticed that my government and military purposefully targeted and sought to destroy civilians while ignoring juicy military targets. Hmmm.
Third of all what does history have to do with it? Are those people still in charge? No. They are dead. And besides that they didn't target civilians they targeted the British forces. Big difference but hey If it doesn't seem like that big a difference to you give me a soldier and a kid from your country I'll hide from the soldier and shoot the kid and see how you feel.
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How can you go from arguing about how the only people who will speak up from Gaza are the ones who will speak up against Israel under threat of death by the Hamas to keeping out reporters?

Do you actually have any proof of this? Or is it simply your method of absolving Israel of any guilt.
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Do you actually have any proof of this? Or is it simply your method of absolving Israel of any guilt.

Yes sir. And this was all within the first 5 min of looking.

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3668615,00.html

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Human rights researchers told Ynet that at least six Fatah loyalists have been killed and several others have been detained since the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas took effect as part of the Islamist group's efforts to cement its rule over Gaza. Many other Fatah men have gone into hiding, they said.

Hamas said anyone who may have been killed in such cases must have been a collaborator with Israel.



http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3643550,00.html

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The bill is made up of 214 subsections. Section 59 states that "any Palestinian found guilty of raising a weapon against Palestine in favor of the enemy; countering Palestine's interests in a negotiation with a foreign government; and placing Palestine's existence in danger by committing an act of aggression against a foreign country... will be sentenced to death."



http://olehgirl.com/?p=1616

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35 Fatah members have been murdered by Hamas this week in Gaza.

“We will kill them all if they try to help Israel bring down our government,” the official said. “We will hang Mahmoud Abbas and Muhammad Dahlan in the public square,” a Hamas official reported.



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1002306.html

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A Palestinian military court on Tuesday sentenced two Palestinians to death by firing squad for collaborating with Israel, a court statement said.



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1066081.html

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A military court in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Sunday sentenced a man to death by firing squad for allegedly collaborating with Israel.



http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3671573,00.html

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Amnesty says Hamas kidnaps, tortures, threatens, and murders Palestinians who oppose regime
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That's not the same thing at all. You seem to be making the claim that Hamas has intimidated people into making false claims of war crimes. Have you any proof of that?
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That's not the same thing at all. You seem to be making the claim that Hamas has intimidated people into making false claims of war crimes. Have you any proof of that?

No most people don't need any help in coming up with the stories they do that because they want to because it's good publicity for them and bad publicity for Israel.

We see that Hamas intimidates and kills people who talk against it or for Israel and we see that many of the stories coming out about war crimes (not just in Case Lead) were embellished if not completely fabricated I.E. no weapons in mosques no weapons in schools etc etc. I wouldn't claim I can prove that they intimidate people to lie for them but then again they don't need to. Most of the people who speak up are part of some wing of the Hamas and even the ones who aren't have just as much motivation to falsify information as the next guy.

And that wasn't my point anyway my point was "Just in case you are wondering if under a communist government to speak up against it is so dangerous imagine what it is under a fundamentalist radical Islamic terrorist government then maybe you will understand that if you are are in Gaza and you don't have anything nice to say... you don't say anything at all. They hang people all the time for even talking to an Israeli. So yes the people who speak up are in general the ones on the Hamas payroll or at least ones who don't want their families dragged off in the middle of the night never to be heard of again."
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Wha... I'm at a total loss for words. How can you go from arguing about how the only people who will speak up from Gaza are the ones who will speak up against Israel under threat of death by the Hamas to keeping out reporters?

Of course you're at loss for words - you realise you're driven into a corner
Explain to me PLEASE, how come that journalists are no big deal to any other country doing warfare?
Can you PLEASE show me examples of horrible losses the other countries suffered because of journalists?


I was under no illusion that it was done for the protection of the news crews but it was for the protection of the troops. Even Hizbollah after the 2nd Lebanon wars said that they were aided by being shown by the 'western pigs own technology' where to strike. So we have me who took part in the 2nd Lebanon war who saw this in practice from the Israeli side where there was far to much shown on TV AND Hizbollah claims that they were aided by what was given out on the news. And then we have you whose only basis for claiming that they weren't aided by what was reported on TV is that you don't want it to be true.[/qutoe]

Wait..so now you trust Hezbollah? What if they said that only cause they knew Israel would overreact (as usual)?

So, a journalist traveling with a military force is generally allowed to transmitt only at specific times (like after the attack has already started, so the position of the troops is pretty much useless to the enemy since they already know).
Not to mention that I've yet to see a news report that shows a military force in any detail. A cammera might pan and you might see a APC and some soldiers, a tank passing by. But that's only a fraction of a force and any info you get is sketchy at best.

Finally, you still fail to explain how no other country has problems with it.
Or are you saying that all other countries are moronic? Or that the forces they fought against are idiotic?



Interesting. okay so first It doesn't even have to be "sensitive" information. All it has to be is in real time and it gives out enough to know where the troops are and what direction they are heading.

Most reports aren't real time. And when they are they are made in the base camp or after the force has already made an attack.
Again, how come other countries don't have so big problems with it?


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And really if you think the Hamas takes good care of the people you have your head buried somewhere just look up in other arguments on the same subject there have been plenty of posts about what the Hamas does. And if you still aren't convinced I invite you to come visit them in fact I encourage you to do so. Gain a little real life perspective away from your computer screen.

So I guess Hamas didn't build hospitals and schools and didn't help feed and clothe people?
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Wait wait. So you believe that Israelis hate the Arabs and we want to do things to them? You just stuck your foot in your mouth my friend. Because as has been pointed out soooooooooo many times there are hundreds and thousands *SNIP*

Nice attempt at dodging the issue, but I'm not falling for it. You know very well what I mean with that post.

"If they loved each other more than hated us they wouldn't have any problems with Israel." is the whole point, don't try to dodge it.
"Them" and "us" - doesn't matter if those terms describe all Israeli/Arabs or just a smaller sub-set, the point remains the same.

"If you loved eachother more than you hated them, you wouldn't have any problems with Gaza." is just as retarded a statement as yours is. But works just as much as yours. It's an "argument" (and I use the term jokingly) that can be used by anyone, anywhere, against anyone. Thus making it completley useless.

 

No, That's war. What are you in some kind of 'we shouldn't have killed Hitler and destroyed Nazi Germany' youth movement? Get real. War is war and it's never pretty but you would charge the allies with war crimes for bombing Berlin?

Slavery can also be part of war. Dodge all you want, you won't escape the issue.
Where do you draw the line in the sand?
And yes, I would charge them. You know why? Cause the German war machine was broken. They were pushed out of all occupied territories, with not nearly enough force to take them over again.
The allies could have effectively stopped at the borders of Germany and just dig in. Hitler would have fallen on it's own.




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And besides that they didn't target civilians they targeted the British forces.

Did they now?
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No most people don't need any help in coming up with the stories they do that because they want to because it's good publicity for them and bad publicity for Israel.

For which, again, you have no proof.

Why should I trust any Israeli source? They have just as much reasons to lie as everyone else on this planet.

"Everyone of "them" lies" gets real old, real soon.
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"Everyone of "them" lies" gets real old, real soon.

My God, can you seriously not see how this is exactly what you were saying?

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Because the state of speech in Gaza is exactly how Israel sez it is?
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They have just as much reasons to lie as everyone else on this planet.

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Hehe..I see you haven't responed to things related to slavery and love. Cat got your tounge?

No, I just try not to address stupid issues when I see them.  Where the f*ck did the love part come from?  It is completely and totally irrelevant.

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Finally, you still fail to explain how no other country has problems with it.

Because it doesn't happen to any other country.  Honestly, what countries besides the U.S. and Israel are involved with modern wars?

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Or are you saying that all other countries are moronic? Or that the forces they fought against are idiotic?

All of the other ones are.  Just about every conflict in the world today is in Africa, and they don't use stuff like that.

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Can you PLEASE show me examples of horrible losses the other countries suffered because of journalists?

Can you PLEASE show me examples of bad things that have been PROVEN to have happened because of global warming?  Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't.  You know the old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

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Most reports aren't real time.

Yeah, until they say "reporting live from...."  In the first Gulf War, the United States actually used a reporter's video to see if they were hitting close to the targets, because debris and smoke was obscuring the high-altitude targeting.

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Of course you're at loss for words - you realise you're driven into a corner

Of course he's at a loss for words - you changed from talking about freedom of speech in Gaza to Israel keeping out reporters without taking a breath.  You made no sense.