[Achillion]

Indeed. If anyone here is just discovering Yahtzee, you should see a few of his vids and then look at his review (critique) of The Orange Box.

[Shivan Hunter]

the DXHR review is pretty much spot on IMO. I went and replayed 3 minutes of the original before I remembered what the textures looked like, but one thing I really did like was the skill system- that should have been implemented in some way in HR.

Frak DLC

[mxlm]

I, OTOH, was so glad we didn't have skills this time around. If I never again play a game as a Badass Sekrit Agent who lacks the marksmanship of a soldier out of bootcamp, I'll die happy.

Although I suppose they could start you off at competent in everything and have you gain skills that make you godly, but...meh. DXHR's implementation is fine.

[Hades]

I, OTOH, was so glad we didn't have skills this time around. If I never again play a game as a Badass Sekrit Agent who lacks the marksmanship of a soldier out of bootcamp, I'll die happy.

Although I suppose they could start you off at competent in everything and have you gain skills that make you godly, but...meh. DXHR's implementation is fine.

This. I very much agree here.

[Achillion]

While the secret agent argument is sound and certainly would apply to someone like JC Denton, Jensen isn't like that, is he? I mean, he's a badass security guard, so maybe they would let you pick a maxed out proficiency for one or two weapons at the start. I wouldn't expect the head of security for a company, no matter how military adept, to be a marksman with every weapon known to man (including LASER rifles, plasma rifles and snipers).

On the other hand, there's always the risk of messing up the game because you picked a proficiency for a weapon or weapon class that isn't practical or never has enough ammo.

So I'm kinda split on this. I guess I like it, but I don't mind not having it.

[Hades]

While the secret agent argument is sound and certainly would apply to someone like JC Denton, Jensen isn't like that, is he? I mean, he's a badass security guard, so maybe they would let you pick a maxed out proficiency for one or two weapons at the start. I wouldn't expect the head of security for a company, no matter how military adept, to be a marksman with every weapon known to man (including LASER rifles, plasma rifles and snipers).

Jensen is ex-SWAT, so no doubt he knows how to use weaponry fairly well.

[Davros]

ps: if your replaying dx1 and havnt read earlier pages from this thread
or dont know
dont forget your mods to make dx1 prettier
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=68556.140

[Colonol Dekker]

Is his DE:HR review on youtube at all?

[CP5670]

I haven't finished this yet (playing very thoroughly), but here are some more observations:

The hub worlds are awesome, much larger than in DX1 and containing tons of stuff to do. They aren't linear like the other maps and encourage you to just go around and explore everywhere, an aspect sorely missing from most modern FPSs. It's a pity that there are only two of them.

Like the first game, the augmentations are not very well balanced. Some are obviously more useful than others, and quite a few seem rather pointless regardless of your style of play (like the hacking analyze or jump silently ones). This is an issue with some weapons as well, with the pistol somewhat overpowered (especially with a silencer) and the sniper rifle relatively gimped. The sniper and combat rifle also have some annoying bugs with certain upgrades. I would have preferred to have the skills from DX1, but the weapon mods do still force you to choose certain weapons to invest in.

Money is much easier to come by than in DX1. You get small credit cards all over the place and can quickly rack up huge amounts by selling guns. If there are several identical guns lying around after a fight and a seller is nearby, you can sell each one. I have something like $40000 and have stopped collecting them now.

As for that boss people were talking about earlier, I blew him up with a rocket launcher and won easily that way. The launcher takes up a ton of space and is not worth carrying around permanently, but you can get one earlier in that same level.

[Achillion]

Is his DE:HR review on youtube at all?

Afraid not, it's exclusive Escapist content.

Also, I think I completely agree with you CP5670, on all your observations. However my completeness of agreeing could be caused by my slight intoxication.

[Axem]

Pistol + laser sight + silencer = totally OP. Who needs a sniper rifle if you have that? Ammo is a ton easier to find for it anyway.

I was replaying DX1 recently and had some mods installed with the texture packs. One of the mods made the laser sight show where it would hit. It didn't let you have perfect accuracy, the aim still wandered, but you could still get the accuracy you wanted if you were willing to wait. I liked that. There's no point it getting any aiming augs if you're going to use a laser sight like that.

[CP5670]

Some people are saying that the sniper rifle works well as a close range assault weapon with a laser mod and fire rate upgrades. This does actually work pretty well, but the game is bugged and the laser mod causes it to fire way off center when you use the scope. So it becomes useless as an actual sniper rifle.

Also, I think I completely agree with you CP5670, on all your observations. However my completeness of agreeing could be caused by my slight intoxication.

I like how the alcohol in this game gives you so much health. I'm hardly using the painkillers and instead just drinking all the random beer and stuff I find lying around.

[Commander Zane]

From the point I was standing at when arriving to Hengsha for the second time, the pistol's laser wouldn't form a dot on anyone I pointed at, the sniper rifle did though, so I no-scoped everyone in the head with it. It's not totally useless without its ability to use the telescopic sight properly. Though fixing that bug would be ideal since what it does do right now doesn't make sense.

[Achillion]

I like how the alcohol in this game gives you so much health. I'm hardly using the painkillers and instead just drinking all the random beer and stuff I find lying around.

True. Also, I think I prefer DX1's drunk-o-vision more. The zoomed, blurred vision of DX:HR works well too, but the first time I saw how the screen changed in DX1 after drinking a bit, kinda made me feel drunk as well. I didn't get the same effect in DX:HR.

Thoughts?

[Grizzly]

Pistol + laser sight + silencer = totally OP.

You forgot the AP upgrade. That makes it totally OP.

[Achillion]

Extra Punctuation: What Human Revolution Got Wrong

Some interesting points from an inevitable comparison between DX and DXHR.

[Grizzly]

Hmm. One thing I disagree with is that he says 'This is how you played Deus Ex HR"
It might be true. But it is also hwo I played Deus Ex

[Achillion]

Hehe yeah, I guess he was assuming that old Deus Ex fans would all fall into the same pattern.

Still, I know a couple of people who played it closer to a more conventional FPS on their first go, but they weren't DX veterans

I'm currently contemplating whether my second playthrough should be:
a) no killings on easy mode (for the achievement), or
b) full murder psychopath on hard mode.

I'm definitely doing both at some point, just don't know which one to go for first.

[Grizzly]

I want to go for a more agressive, allthough not a full murder psychopath, option. That SWAT background allows for much.

[Achillion]

Well the "psychopath" bit may have been an exaggeration. I mostly meant investing in assault rifle and explosive stuff, not killing all NPCs in city hubs.