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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Get horizontal, kevlar towards the flash which just blinded you lol.

Kids..... Back in my day we called it NBC :p

 
Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Sounds like giving people a hoax-assurance. A bit like telling people to duck and cover behind a carton box when a nuclear bomb hits 5 miles away from them.
Which, funnily enough, will provide some measure of protection.  Five miles away from a modern strategic warhead (usually in the 3-500 kT range), the box won't protect you from the blast, which you probably would not die from at that distance completely unprotected, but it will take the thermal pulse for you, meaning it burns, not you.  Ionizing radiation at five miles distance is not a concern with that size warhead either.

 

Offline Liberator

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Umm, Astro, I think the people in Nagasaki circa 1945 would disagree about the effects of ionizing rads further out than 5 miles on bombs under 1kt.
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Offline Mars

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I do think he means tactical, but Fat Man was actually 21 kT

 

Offline Canna_Bis

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Be advised that the nuke was dropped a few miles from the city... The bomber's crew simply missed...

BTW: They would archieve the same effect dropping the Little Boy and/or Fat Man on an uninhabited island...
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Umm, Astro, I think the people in Nagasaki circa 1945 would disagree about the effects of ionizing rads further out than 5 miles on bombs under 1kt.
I never said anything regarding fallout, which is a large problem just five miles from a nuclear detonation, especially a groundburst.  In terms of the initial blast, though?  An utter non-factor at that distance; in fact, the smaller the nuke is, the relatively more dangerous the ionizing radiation gets.  Read this FAQ; I've already linked to the relevant page in it.

And Mars, no I do not mean tactical; a modern strategic warhead is indeed usually 3-500 kT.  It's more efficient to use a whole bunch of smaller devices on a dispersed target like a city in a circular pattern than detonating one really big one over the target's center.  Doing so increases the area over which a large amount of blast overpressure (greater than ~10 psi) is generated, thus destroying more hard targets.  On a side note, it is a cruel irony that going with a counterforce strategy (targeting factories, military bases, railyards, etc.) over a countervalue one (targeting population) kills more people.  This is because of the heavily increased fallout from all the groundbursts needed to get the required overpressure to destroy all the targets.  A countervalue strategy is more effectively carried out using airbursts, so you can maximize the area over which the thermal pulse starts fires and inflicts lethal 3rd-degree burns.  Fun fun.

 

Offline Liberator

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Or you could, you know, drop a rock from orbit and say it was an Act of God.  Though do it too much and they might catch on...
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline Mars

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My understanding is that strategic nukes start at 100 kT and work their way up.
Strategic Nuclear Weapon

 

Offline Jellyfish

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
That must be a relatively recent classification, because the bombs dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were less than 20 kTs, yet were strategic.
Perhaps it depends where you drop them?
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
That must be a relatively recent classification, because the bombs dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were less than 20 kTs, yet were strategic.
Perhaps it depends where you drop them?
No, it's actually been around for a while.  Following the wiki link Mars posted, it really depends on what the bombs are used for; tactical nukes are used on the battlefield, while strategic ones are usually used for targeting logistics and command and control assets.  The yields of each tend to separate out naturally because of these different missions.  You want a small nuke on the battlefield to avoid killing your own troops and minimize collateral damage, while when you're going after the enemy's industry, a much larger yield per weapon is more effective.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
The support ship seems to be rather eager to rearm me if I fly the Atalanta. :p


 

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You sure know how to run your ship down... :p
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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Not willing to touch that dirty Tev hardware me suspects...

 

Offline General Battuta

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:wtf:

 

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All rockets and bombs inside the support-ship fired without releasing them :nod:
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speed 303
 
:wtf:


Perhaps it just came out from subspace, but then again, the Sathanas barely manages 837, and it slows down very fast the moment it fully appears.

Yeah. :wtf:
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:wtf:


Perhaps it just came out from subspace, but then again, the Sathanas barely manages 837, and it slows down very fast the moment it fully appears.

Yeah. :wtf:

Nope, it's not to do with subspace. I tried again to see if the Hygeia suffers the same problem. It came out of subspace at normal speed (about 20mps) and then immediately accelerated to around 330mps. So I believe it is something to do with the Atalanta's (and by extension, the original Kvasir's) paths.


You sure know how to run your ship down... :p

Haha; I've been trying that mission again to try the Tev ships out - while I was able to complete it originally in the Draco, I got killed multiple times in that and the Nyx when I retried it. I was able to complete it again when I tried the Atalanta.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
yea, Kent's a great fighter, very fast, lots of primaries and secondaries, average durability. And slammers. Draco's even faster but it's got less guns and missles; Nyx has tons of firepower and shields but the low speed hurts in the BP world (Sol theater if we want to use the in-universe terminology). Atalanta's a good mix, I always try to finish those off first, very bad to have on your tail (especially in a Uhlan), though it's not as fast as the Kent.

Of course in-universe the trade-off is that GTVA fighters have longer endurance and inter-system drives, but hey.

Come to think of it, I loved WiH's protrayal of Maxim, Balor and Treb weapon systems... here's begging for some cool new GTVA fighter weapons to fly against in R2? ;)
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
speed 303
 
:wtf:


Perhaps it just came out from subspace, but then again, the Sathanas barely manages 837, and it slows down very fast the moment it fully appears.

Yeah. :wtf:

Nope, it's not to do with subspace. I tried again to see if the Hygeia suffers the same problem. It came out of subspace at normal speed (about 20mps) and then immediately accelerated to around 330mps. So I believe it is something to do with the Atalanta's (and by extension, the original Kvasir's) paths.
*image redacted*

Autogen paths in PCS2 and make sure they're saved, sometimes they're not. I ran into this exact issue before (mentioned in the Kvasir thread) and fixed it that way.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
yea, Kent's a great fighter, very fast, lots of primaries and secondaries, average durability. And slammers. Draco's even faster but it's got less guns and missles; Nyx has tons of firepower and shields but the low speed hurts in the BP world (Sol theater if we want to use the in-universe terminology). Atalanta's a good mix, I always try to finish those off first, very bad to have on your tail (especially in a Uhlan), though it's not as fast as the Kent.

Of course in-universe the trade-off is that GTVA fighters have longer endurance and inter-system drives, but hey.

Come to think of it, I loved WiH's protrayal of Maxim, Balor and Treb weapon systems... here's begging for some cool new GTVA fighter weapons to fly against in R2? ;)
I loved the Nyx, its pretty much an updated erinyes. I personally never got used to the Kent, I'm a heavy over speed kinda player I guess  :p
Shame you were only allowed to pick a GTVA fighter in one mission
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