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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
There's no political point to it. You don't sterilize a place you're trying to capture intact and control. It's a dumb idea.



Actually that's the perfect reason to do just that.

That's a dumb statement.

If you mean "OCCUPY" as in captive population then that's a different kettle of fish. But you didn't say it.

What's your regiment btw "manwiththemaxhinegun"?
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Besides, the Fedayeen wanted to bomb Delta Serpentis with antimatter bombs. Not sure if they meant the station at the gate or the actual planet :D
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
It raises the risk of retaliation in kind, and it's an afterthought. We know the NTF committed acts of genocide against the Vasudan people, and yet both the Vasudan and Terrans of the GTVA in FS2 explicitly state they will follow the rules of war of BETAC.

Cheating those rules is a thing that happens in war, you have SOC conducting assassinations in the like. But a magic chemical attack on a planet with several billion people is not going to get suppressed in its information. It would trigger exactly the kind of civil unrest and turmoil the GTVA is terrified of.

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this,
but can I use BP with the new MediaVPs 3.8.1 or do I need exactly the 2014 release?

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
There's no political point to it. You don't sterilize a place you're trying to capture intact and control. It's a dumb idea.

Wasn't the original plan of the GTVA to basically hold beam cannons to the UEF's head (Earth) and say "surrender now"?

 
Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
There's a big difference between pulling the trigger and threatening to pull the trigger. That's the entire basis of our own nuclear weapons theory.

If needed, worst case, specific military bases or cities could be nuked, forcing capitulation. In reality, very very few governments wouldn't surrender if given an ultimatum like that with no ability to counter.

 
Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this,
but can I use BP with the new MediaVPs 3.8.1 or do I need exactly the 2014 release?

I believe I asked and they're not used in BP as of yet.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
There's no political point to it. You don't sterilize a place you're trying to capture intact and control. It's a dumb idea.

Wasn't the original plan of the GTVA to basically hold beam cannons to the UEF's head (Earth) and say "surrender now"?

The GTVA's reasoning was (a) their show of force would be so overwhelmingly terrifying that (in their calculation) it was extremely unlikely the UEF would call their bluff and (b) since they would already be in position, the issue would become moot before anyone had time to think about what the Tevs just did. And whatever happens, MORPHEUS must proceed, no matter the consequences. These calculations could be entirely wrong, and thanks to the Vishnans we will never know if they were or not, but those are the ones they made. Once their initial gambit fell through there would no longer be an opportunity to make such a threat without immediate, catastrophic political consequences, and it would be much more likely the UEF would ignore it and fight to the bitter end. At this point, glassing cities would make the UEF less likely to surrender.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Thats kindof a good point about glassing cities, honestly as far as I know they mainly don't contribute that much industry anymore (a lot of it is giant masses of machinery) so blowing people up would quite possibly only serve to piss them off.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Apart from third fleet, nothing was combat ready, if I remember correctly.
So they could've jumped the HQs and massacre the gunline... now that's an idea for a nightmare mission :D
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Basically if you're going to fight a war of extermination, you better go ALL THE WAY. Because if anyone survives, you can expect a generational jihad the likes of which will make you wish you never tried.

But it's academic, since the GTVA isn't fighting a war of extermination. At least intentionally. Accidents (and falling rocks) can happen. But one of the GTVA's main goals is the acquisition of Earth's resources and science/manufacturing centers.

 
Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Idle thought, has there been any thought on what happens next in the story?
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
If the outro is any indication, we should see the big assault of Steele.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Idle thought, has there been any thought on what happens next in the story?


We play as Nabirasul, aka the Jester.

If the outro is any indication, we should see the big assault of Steele.

Also this
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Hard to believe that the Emperors confidant and advisor is a fighterjockey in the civil war :D
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Hard to believe that the Emperors confidant and advisor is a fighterjockey in the civil war :D

Aliens be alien. What makes sense to a human and a vasudan are clearly different.

 
Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
If the outro is any indication, we should see the big assault of Steele.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Idle thought, has there been any thought on what happens next in the story?


We play as Nabirasul, aka the Jester.

If the outro is any indication, we should see the big assault of Steele.

Also this

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
While you can make your own stories out of that as you like, I'd presume that the BP team has their own idea how these questions would be solved...

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Hard to believe that the Emperors confidant and advisor is a fighterjockey in the civil war :D

Nabirasul doesn't show up until after the last two acts of BP2 (he's the BP3 protagonist).