Originally posted by CP5670
Okay, sounds cool, but that's not really an argument there, is it? 
Therefore, for the purposes of this thread Hitler can be said to be just as much a prophet of god (or god himself) as Christ.
No - perhaps for the purposes of your opinion that equation can be made - no further.
Originally posted by CP5670
Wait, but didn't you say that the Bible contained what god wanted to see in the future of humanity? And although the world is going against his wishes right now, he doesn't appear to be doing anything, so either he does not care (in which case people can sin all they want) or we are not annoying him enough. Have everyone denounce god as the great satan of humanity and change their mindset to reflect that (an easy task), and see if that gets his attention. 
God is far far more active in this world than you think. I'll give you an example of the most "classic" way God is active in the world today: Acts of God, a.k.a. natural disasters. I can't give you the specifics at this very moment, since my dad is the one who's keeping track and he's out for another 2-3 hours or so, but the gist of it is this: When the US in particular or any other nation moves (usually politically) to urge Israel to give away the Land that has been given her to be a steward over (it's God's land, biblically speaking), a natural disaster strikes that nation.
My dad's been following this penomenon for the past 10 years or so, and the "God-incedence" is pretty amazing. No, it's not concrete proof that there is a connection, but the basis for a strong argument is definetly there. I'll post more specific info when he gets home.[/B][/quote]
Originally posted by Top Gun
Interesting, so I take it that you believe that, that all the below is the "word of god". It's amazing how people manage to pick and choose the parts of the bible that are to be obeyed and those that aren't.
Ok, first of all, three of those are taken out of context that makes the meaning clear.
And the one that's left, the first one, is superceeded by Jesus' specific act in the New Testament with the adulterous woman caught in the act, in John 8:3-11:
Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?" This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, "Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."
As for the other 3...
Psalm 137:7-9:
Remember, O LORD, against the sons of Edom
The day of Jerusalem,
Who said, "Raze it, raze it,
To its very foundation!"
daughter of Babylon, who are to be destroyed,
Happy the one who repays you as you have served us!
Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!
Malachi 2:1-9:
"And now, O priests, this commandment is for you.
If you will not hear,
And if you will not take it to heart,
To give glory to My name,"
Says the LORD of hosts,
"I will send a curse upon you,
And I will curse your blessings.
Yes, I have cursed them already,
Because you do not take it to heart.
"Behold, I will rebuke your descendants
And spread refuse on your faces,
The refuse of your solemn feasts;
And one will take you away with it.
Then you shall know that I have sent this commandment to you,
That My covenant with Levi may continue,"
Says the LORD of hosts.
"My covenant was with him, one of life and peace,
And I gave them to him that he might fear Me;
So he feared Me
And was reverent before My name.
The law of truth was in his mouth,
And injustice was not found on his lips.
He walked with Me in peace and equity,
And turned many away from iniquity.
"For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
And people should seek the law from his mouth;
For he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
But you have departed from the way;
You have caused many to stumble at the law.
You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,"
Says the LORD of hosts.
"Therefore I also have made you contemptible and base
Before all the people,
Because you have not kept My ways
But have shown partiality in the law."
Dealing with traitorous/corrupt priests. (Note: Levi was the priestly tribe, as well as the name of the first "member", as it were.)
And lastly, Deuteronomy 28:53. You can read the whole chapter
here - it's a long one. Basically, the whole section is dealing with the curses of disobediance, as shown in verse 15:
"But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:", after which follows a very lengthy list of what God will do to those who disobey Him.
Gosh, reading that chapter again makes me ever the more thankful for the sacrifice of Jesus, so that we now live by grace and not by law.
(No, that doesn't mean we break the law...
).
