[Top Gun]

Originally posted by Thunder
Lets assume for a second that the Big Bang happened. That's how it was, there was a lot of something and it exploded which formed the Universe.
The question is - how did that get there? Was there a start to the Universe? How did it come to be, and if the Big Bang occured - not only how did that happen but how did what was before it happen?  

The latest theory on this is that a cyclic universe may be possible (Imagine an oscillating field of energy). It's still very controversial but here's the link:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/cosmology-02c.html

[wEvil]

Personally I subscribe to M theory more - but they still haven't gotten it to work so there must be something wrong somewhere.

Hrrm...builds on string and M theory.

Interesting.

Hey shrike - it even gives you an excuse for gridfire!

But why only 2 braneworlds?  I still don't get why the theory can't be articulated in the full ten dimensions, or rather why it isn't articulated.

Then again, I barely understand supersymmetry etc.

(btw - instead of just two branes why couldnt there be a more or less infinate stack of these sheets?  it kindof explains why gravity is such a mysterious force, if it propagates not only in the hypothetical 2-d of the brane but also in the Z axis up through the braneStack)

[Kellan]

OT again...

[ZylonBane]

Well, you have to expect a little OT from someone so egocentric that they put their computer specs in their sig.

[wEvil]

well...something that soaked up that[/i[ amount of my overdraft deserves to be mentioned

[killadonuts]

Originally posted by icespeed
...the universe doesn't exist by chance.
 

This is a perfect example of what I was saying last night.
A primitive attempt of the human mind to explain to itself what it does not and cannot know.

[Kellan]

The principle by which I try to live my life is the empathetic principle. Basically, it says "act as you would wish to be acted upon". Thus, if you don't want to be murdered, don't murder. If you don't want to be lied to, don't lie.

It is of course very much like the "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself" bit out of the Bible. However, that single sentence can sum up an entire ideal for living without the other baggage that comes along with religion. It should also supercede any other points about the inferiority of other groups/religions, etc.

So basically, if I abide by that I could, in theory, live a perfectly 'moral' life, discounting sins and so on. And as sandwich pointed out, though I make no provision for the afterlife in that mantra, I don't have to, because I don't believe in it.

[wEvil]

Or - dont have to worry about it.

a good afterlife, like a good life, isn't something you store credits up for.  Its how you choose to live it.  I might be in the afterlife now from..somewhere else.  I'm living it this way, when I leave and go onto the next phase, i'll live it a different way.

It seems quite rational to me, at least.

[CODEDOG ND]

ok ok there is only one way to prove this.  *grabs wEvil by the neck and strangles starts strangling him*  Hey.  It might work.



Oh Kellan on the hell thing.  There are different portrayments of hell.

1.  The whole burn burn get eaten by maggots one.

2.  The whole when you die you just cease to exist.

[wEvil]

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
ok ok there is only one way to prove this.  *grabs wEvil by the neck and strangles starts strangling him*  Hey.  It might work.

Wow...telescopic arms

you just cease to exist.

A little like living in england then.

Only you know what you hate the most, therefore any vision you have of hell is possibly self-imposed.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by wEvil

Only you know what you hate the most, therefore any vision you have of hell is possibly self-imposed.

Hell is Room 101, then.

[wEvil]

or a club selling vodka exclusively and playing garage the whole time.  and the only cigs in the fag machine would be marlbloro lights.  eurgh.

*shivers*

[Kellan]

Originally posted by wEvil
or a club selling vodka exclusively and playing garage the whole time.  and the only cigs in the fag machine would be marlbloro lights.  eurgh.

*shivers*

Arrrgh.

At least you might meet some interesting people in hell. Lots of people have sinned in order to advance civilisation and civil rights.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Kellan
At least you might meet some interesting people in hell. Lots of people have sinned in order to advance civilisation and civil rights.

Hehe, playing poker with Hitler, Ghengis Khan and Princess Diana. That'd be fun. "A flush beats two pairs you bastard! AAARRRGGHHH!!".

[wEvil]

Originally posted by an0n

Hehe, playing poker with Hitler, Ghengis Khan and Princess Diana. That'd be fun. "A flush beats two pairs you bastard! AAARRRGGHHH!!".

So long as it wasn't strip poker.

MMkay..

*gets out a large metal rod and levers topic back onto the rails*

Where were we?

[Top Gun]

There are Philosophersthat belived Heaven and Hell are made by the people who inhabit them. For example Heaven is filled full of nice people that are nice to each other and hell is filled full of nasty people that aren't nice to each other

[Zeronet]

And so it ends(topic closure due to excessive spamming). You were at Science Vs Religion.

[Fineus]

Top Gun raises a point - nobody really knows what hell is. People can imagine all kinds of horrible things but untill someone actually comes back from hell with a full holiday brochure on the place I don't (personally) think religion has a leg to stand on when it comes to threatening people with hell if they don't comply to that religion.

This is evident since in old times hell was the number one selling point for joining the same religion as everyone else. Now people are more thoughtful on the matter and so religion has had to change to suit the times.

Any religion that claims it's always been right shouldn't have to change to suit society. If it's so great then society will change to suit it.

[wEvil]

In past times the religion was the society.  It's an interesting trend that maybe they are splitting off, devolving into seperate entities?

At the end of the day the debate has been pickled to death and everyone gets caught in their own logic traps.

Still...I'd rather count myself among more open-minded people, if just for the flexilibity such a state provides.  I can live without stability.

[Zeronet]

Since the previvous thread discussing horoscopes was locked i'll post it here, which is still relevant as it was once a religious thing,

You do realise the ppl what write them go to a place where they learn of how to write them and in the program i watched they actually found the fact ppl believed in them very funny. I read one telling me about marriage difficulties etc, even though im 15. The only way they work to an extent is in magazines, where they know the audience will have similar interests and use that to their advantage. The fact that life all over the world is vastly different culturally means that people born on the same day will be totally different in every respect. While one may be enjoying good luck one week, another may be starving from a lack of food.