[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Top Gun
Oh Please, this is borderline racist. Firstly Natural disasters are happening all of the time. The only reason that they're interpreted as acts of god is because the spotlight is on them at that particular time. When the US isn't urging Isreal to hand over land to the Palestinians they go un-nuticed. The US covers a huge geographical area with perhaps a greater array of climates than any other nation. If you'r interested in studying freak wheather conditions and their causes go to www.metoffice.co.uk (that's the UK's one, there's probably ones more specific to particular regions). This shows you the causes of such thins and it uses that little thing called evidence. I suppose you share Dr Falwell's belief that "god" allowed the WTC attacks to take place?

Hate to break it to ya, but when it comes to His Chosen People, don't mess.

As for the correlations, I'll get them tommorow - my dad's asleep now.

[Stryke 9]

OK, I'm looking outside. Is there something I'm looking for? Just because it's familiar doesn't mean it couldn't have happened by a freak accident, and just because you think it came out pretty well doesn't mean it's anything more than the materials of the universe acting according to their physical properties- not at random, but effectively so. There is no proof either way that any God of any sort exists, but if he/she/it/they exist I pray to them that they're not as bigoted, narrowminded, sadistic, and hateful as all of you seem to want them to be.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by sandwich
My faith is not irrevocable proff that God exists - it isn't even revokable proof! I don't know where you got that idea.

You want irrevocable proof of God's existance? Go outside and look at creation. Don't glance - look. Then tell me honestly that we're accidents.

Eh... sorry if you got me wrong - but what makes you consider existance the irrevocable proof that God exists is your faith - isn't it?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by sandwich


Hate to break it to ya, but when it comes to His Chosen People, don't mess.

*cough*Ubermensch*cough*

[Stryke 9]

Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80


*cough*Ubermensch*cough*

Essentially. And I've found it one of the most instructive lessons in history that the Israeli Jews have ended up using almost exactly the same logic as the Nazis...

[castor]

The strongest cage of all are the ones we build in our heads.
With gratitude, we perfect those cages all our lives, adding one golden bar of self-assurance after another - oh do we know their value!
Unreachable to our perception - we don't even know we're locked up - happy silly prisoners

Now I'll have a good laugh at everything I know about this world/universe/existence/place    

Returning to my pretty cell now....

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Styxx


Eh... sorry if you got me wrong - but what makes you consider existance the irrevocable proof that God exists is your faith - isn't it?

I wasn't meaning existance - I was meaning the likelyhood of it all occurring by chance.

Originally posted by Stryke 9


Essentially. And I've found it one of the most instructive lessons in history that the Israeli Jews have ended up using almost exactly the same logic as the Nazis...

Uhm, what 6 million people have the Jews murdered for being themselves?

[Shrike]

Hoo boy.... Stop pestering god will you guys?  He's got a lot on his plate.  Having to keep creation running and all that jazz.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by sandwich
Hate to break it to ya, but when it comes to His Chosen People, don't mess.  

And to anybody who has quoted the bible in this thread to prove their point: DON'T DO IT. Although it may prove your point, almost any point of view can be found in the bible. That's the wonder of it. Whatever you say with the bible backing it up, somebody can come up with a rebuttal from the bible. So just don't. It's stupid.

EDIT: And I agree with sandwich on a bunch of other counts too. For example, the modern Israeli Jews are NOT like the Nazis at all. Just because some people there have prejudices against Palestinians, they might have them for good reason. And again, what 6,000,000 people have the Israeli Jews (or ANY Jews) killed?

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Styxx
Tell me one absolute truth, then.

Girls are good.

Mmm, girls......

[Stryke 9]

sandwich: Are you denying you just said that you were, in essence, the ultimate race, favored by god and superior to all men, and all those who displeased you would get a rather vicious comeuppance?

It doesn't matter that the Jews haven't lead any multimillion person massacres yet- with that kind of mentality, it wouldn't take much to make it happen, and with that kind of mentality you probably wouldn't hesitate if there was a chance of it. You need to brush up on your Nazi propaganda, my man- it all comes out to JUST the ideology you describe.

[Alikchi]

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
It doesn't matter that the Jews haven't lead any multimillion person massacres yet- with that kind of mentality, it wouldn't take much to make it happen, and with that kind of mentality you probably wouldn't hesitate if there was a chance of it. You need to brush up on your Nazi propaganda, my man- it all comes out to JUST the ideology you describe.

What, that all Jews are evil, greedy, communist (not meant in a bad way...well, now anyways), and out to destroy everybody and take over the world? You're agreeing with that????

And Shrike: I agree.

[Stryke 9]

No, just that the kind of mentality where you consider your race and yourself superior to all other men, not beholden to their laws and conventions, and given a divine carte blanche to do as you please is what has motivated all of the most horrific hate crimes in history. No all Jews are evil, Sandwich isn't even evil, but he is to all appearances a flaming bigot, and CERTAINLY all Jews aren't that- at least, none of the ones I've met in RL, who weren't too hard-core about the whole thing. But, sadly, this sort of thing is beginning to take over Isreali policy nowadays, and I'd hate to be a Palestinian in a few years...

[Zeronet]

In Islam if the husband commits adultery, the wife gets punished i think. Islam is a interesting religion, so strict yet new.

[Stryke 9]

Technically, the Koran is much more open-minded and humanist than most of the Bible, which makes it all the more interesting...

Though I gotta say, any religion without a Leviticus equivalent can't be all that fun.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
No, just that the kind of mentality where you consider your race and yourself superior to all other men, not beholden to their laws and conventions, and given a divine carte blanche to do as you please is what has motivated all of the most horrific hate crimes in history. No all Jews are evil, Sandwich isn't even evil, but he is to all appearances a flaming bigot, and CERTAINLY all Jews aren't that- at least, none of the ones I've met in RL, who weren't too hard-core about the whole thing. But, sadly, this sort of thing is beginning to take over Isreali policy nowadays, and I'd hate to be a Palestinian in a few years...

First of all, that's what the bible says and sandwich is just repeating it. And most of us aren't hardcore, I'm not (or at least I'm not in RL, I don't know what you think of me here). And I wouldn't say that the Palestinians are exactly helping any peace process that might take place. They're doing the exact opposite. You'd be mad too if somebody walked into your town and blew themselves up taking a dozen people with them.

[Zeronet]

Islam is something thats been left out of this topic, a lot of controversy surrounds it(such as the Qu'ran being able to justify people blowing themselves up)

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Corsair
First of all, that's what the bible says and sandwich is just repeating it. And most of us aren't hardcore, I'm not (or at least I'm not in RL, I don't know what you think of me here). And I wouldn't say that the Palestinians are exactly helping any peace process that might take place. They're doing the exact opposite. You'd be mad too if somebody walked into your town and blew themselves up taking a dozen people with them.

Im fairly stricter than most ppl in RL when it comes to my religion. I was just reading the gospel one day when something clicked and i realised how bad the world had become and that i mustnt let myself fall like the rest. The Palestinians say they want land, but they were offered it all back and refused, they say they want peace but they blow themselves up and yet Israel gets all the blame for everything.

[Stryke 9]

Corsair: You're taking this COMPLETELY OT. I'm not talking about the peace process, that's momentarily irrelevant. I'm only peripherally talking politics. Forget all that and read, or don't pretend you did. Guess what? THe KKK, the Nazis, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Aryan Knights- all used the same source Sandwich does, and all got interpretations that are just as clear. I don't care if he quotes the Bible or a box of Wheaties- he's still using it to press an ideology that is, effectively, racist and genocidal. Natural disasters as God's wrath for intervening in a bloodbath? Really. If God's that much of a racist ****, I'd frankly be glad to go to hell- at least the jerk there isn't a hypocrite. If the Bible is really just a tract in hate and racial supremacy, maybe we should all just grab the nearest gun and hold the genocide to end all genocides, right now- every race for itself. Seems to me that it's more of a mediocre philosophy/history, the latter part of whic preaches tolerance and equality, but you never know... Me, I'm gonna go do God's bidding, shoot up a schoolbus full of children headed to a religious school that isn't of my denomination, lynch some non-whites, and then go around hunting for people who are wearing cloth woven of two fibers. How 'bout you?