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Offline CP5670

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OT- why doesn't anybody want us to go into Iraq
aaaahh....way too much ethical nonsense has developed here (every single anti-war argument boils down to that), and now I cannot reply to it all... :p :D

I guess I will just watch the proceedings here this time since I have fallen too far behind to participate any longer; just stop with all the morality!! :shaking: :D

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First of all I really meant it about the UN Forces..(it doesn't matter what country I'm from, I could be Japanese and still think that at least America does something) UN Peacekeeping forces do not keep the peace, they are a dog and pony show. Where were they in Bosnia? While that failed legacy of The League of Nations (remember UN1?) continues to squabble and do nothing WWII genocide was being carried out along with mass rapes and tourtures, ect, for 4 YEARS!!! I was almost willing to go there and join as an independant fighter. Being Ex-Army I was VERY dissapointed in the way America handled the situation... At long last Millosevic's own people gave him up cause they knew the train was about to stop and their country was gonna get wasted... We did that by declaring that action would be taken wich resolved the situation : saving time, money, effort and set a precident...Finally!

As for the Weapons Inspectors: They wanted to do their job, they were not allowed to. It became a Joke to the Iraqis because they were not allowed to go anywhere without saying WHERE they wanted to look first...Ok after a long delay (gotta get the missle out), you can come in now... See Noting here you Stupid people now get outta here!" (they gone yet? Good get the stuff back here they won't think to look here again! Ha ha we so smart, stupid Evil western Satan Pigs!) Even Richard Butler (leader of the Inspectors) said in an interview that it was a waste of time, they are just playing with the UN, He won't go back no matter what they say to him, and that some sort of action SHOULD be taken! He's the expert folks, but you don't have to be to see what's been going on, and what WILL go on even if Iraq says,"oh come on back! Look Around"... It will be the same old BS... Wait , bait, and switch! I don't care what Bush decides to do just as long as the Iraqi people are considered more than was done for the Afghans... Too many incidents with civillians... Like I said 1 bullet (X)... I'm free this Weekend? BTW (Waves American Flag) this means you are entitled to your opinions and I respect them (though I disagree with some of you)...
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*rubs crystal ball(s)*

I see Vyper sitting up late watching a p0r... *ahem*  movie. I see the film being cut suddenly, i see a news flash coming up.... I see the UK & America invading Iraq in the middle of the night (GMT). ;)
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the proceedings here this time since I have fallen too far behind to participate any longer; just stop with all the morality!! :shaking: :D


I guess from your purely logical standpoint anything we do, regardless of cost in civilian lives, environmental damage, etc etc is quite alright - simply because we have the ability to do it, and the other guy does not. It's cutthroat, but it makes things a lot simpler.

Still don't agree with it though. :ha: :p

 

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Exactly, and besides, it is helping us, and that is all that matters. We want to reduce this to an objective where "agree" and "disagree" don't mean anything. :p (just like one cannot say that he does not agree that 1+1=2 :D)

 

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(just like one cannot say that he does not agree that 1+1=2 :D)


Let's not go there again; as I recall you were the loudest proponent that you cannot prove that 1+1=2... :rolleyes:

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Let's not go there again; as I recall you were the loudest proponent that you cannot prove that 1+1=2... :rolleyes:

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lol well, that was in a different context. :p :D I guess you could make a new math where 1+1=4 instead and it could still somehow be consistent, but it would not do a very good job of explaining anything in the material world. :D

Anyway, here is a better statement: one cannot say that he agrees that a statement is both true and false simultaneously. :D (in an absolute context, anyway)

 

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ok, so if it is none of our business what Iraq is doing, why is it any of your business if we want to invade?
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ok, so if it is none of our business what Iraq is doing, why is it any of your business if we want to invade?


Who are you talking to? If it's people from other countries, let's see...perhaps because our government has promised to send soldiers too? We could become a terrorist target? It sets a precedent that Bush can overrule any other nation and depose any other leader, and nobody can stop him - regardless of what we think of said leader? Because an attack on Iraq would destablise the oil economy?

Need I go on?

 

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oh ok, so it's ok to set the president of alowing Sadam to violate UN mandates like a porn queen and develop all sorts of massively powerfull weapons he is going to use against his own people and probly you and us.

but it's not ok to set a president that if you violate the terms of a surrender, or fifty billion UN resolutions, nothing will happen

not to mention the fact that he is a bad evile person and his people hate him and it's million of people liveing in misery and we have a moral obligation to help them.
this is secondary in the issue however, becase none of you seem to care, and yes we do
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It sets a precedent that Bush can overrule any other nation and depose any other leader, and nobody can stop him - regardless of what we think of said leader?


It's called war, that's hardly setting precedent

 
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...becase none of you seem to care, and yes we do



When did the americans started to care about the others???

Did you cared about the victims of the Turkish governement, in Cyprus and Kurdistan??? No, so don't start using that lame excuse. And that also shows how much misleaded the american people is. You leave in a country that is control through the media, in ways that would make even Gebels(sp?) admire them.
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When did the americans started to care about the others???

Did you cared about the victims of the Turkish governement, in Cyprus and Kurdistan??? No, so don't start using that lame excuse. And that also shows how much misleaded the american people is. You leave in a country that is control through the media, in ways that would make even Gebels(sp?) admire them.



Hmmm, I'll say this once. We're doing it because it's in our best interests, him being there is causing us problems. You don't like it? Do something about it

 

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Hmmm, I'll say this once. We're doing it because it's in our best interests, him being there is causing us problems. You don't like it? Do something about it


Not too long ago it was in America's interest to get Russia out of Afganistan. Bin Laden and extremists like him were apparently actually trained by you guys more so than the less extreme because they were 'better fighters'.

I truely hope that America's actions in the coming months do not come back to haunt us all.

 
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Hmmm, I'll say this once. We're doing it because it's in our best interests, him being there is causing us problems. You don't like it? Do something about it


That's exactly my point BL, thanks. Because some people have delusions and believe that the american government acts for the sake of the people of Iraq, or Serbia, or Albania, etc etc etc.
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(I haven't read the prev. pages...but -)

The worry is that an attack on Iraq without clear justification (i.e. proof of aggressive intent, illegal weapons programmes or terrorist sponsorship, not accusations - and even that may not be considered enough) will lead to a cold war between the western (christian) countries and the Muslim world.... at the moment Iraq is simply not a threat to the US or Europe, and there's no hard proof given that it has any offensive capability or intent to strike at even Israel (the only real target for Hussein).

Even the dossier that Tony Blair was supposed to have justifying an attack on Iraq, has never been produced to parliament.   any attack on Iraq - without hard, definitive proof - will be seen as unprovoked, and even as a 'Crusade' against the Muslim world.  And any subsequent government will probably be seen as 'puppets' of the Western world.

 

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Anytime we hear about some injustice we do care, but because the residence of a certan old world continent would whine about it being none of our business we do nothing.
We let Afghanistan go to hell for the last five-ten years because setting up a real government wasn't our business, even though our involvement in the region demanded we clean it up,  
Oh no I'm sure the factions will come together, we don't need to help,
Yes we ****ed that one up, why because we didn't want people *****ing at us for imperialising,
what would have happened if we had stayed in the reagon, if we set up a democratic government, and tried to get the reagon settled,
We would have been accused of doing what the USSR had just done, or that we were only there to get and oil pipeline, or spreading our evil-chirstian-jew-capitalistic evilness
So instead of doing what we are doing now
Setting up a halfway decent government
We let them go to hell,
Even then we did nothing why because
Who are we to impose our sense of morality on these people?
Well who the **** were the taliban, well they were some of the people we armed to get rid of the USSR, but they were from the reagon so somehow they were allowed to subjugate the country without condemnation,
So rather than trying to get rid of them we said OK everyone else says not to get rid of them so I Gus we should try to deal with them, yes that's what the Europeans want and they all sound so smart, yes lets give it a try...
Eventually we had to do it our way, and wow look at that, it worked, in a month!!!!

Same thing in Yugoslavia, people getting killed, we see this, are outraged want to do something, Europe says no (well they do have more of a right here seeing as this was in Europe, but), impose sanctions, apply political pressure, just what ever you do don't actually go in and physically stop it. Well after a few years situation goes from worse to crimes against humanity, and eventually we somehow convince you all, yes we must go in and do something,
wam! bam! Two months later, situation resolved
There may still be problems there but I haven't heard anything, it's certainly better than it was before the strikes

I was too young to remember any of the other major military strike againced people we didn't like as are most likely you

The reason we didn't like communism is because they sent tanks after people in there own country asking for change, they shot people trying to leave, and because they had nukes pointing at us (we probably have that last one in common with them)
The idea of communism we didn't like because from what we saw of it's implementation it
A) Didn't work
B) Removed all rights from its citizens

So is it a good idea to let Sadam stay there and continue his rain, building weapons he will use on people, we have done it you're way for the last ten years, is it anywhere near resolving this situation, or has it just allowed him to rebuild his stash,
Is it our business if he kills hundreds, thousands, millions
Was it our business when Germany was laying waist to Europe?
Why must we always wait until these things get to such an uncontrollable situation
It is our business because we are at war with terrorism
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terrorism- the act of using a non-national militant force to intentionally kill civilians for the propose of gaining political leverage through fear

And Sadam does support it,
He doesn't need to support Al Qeda, just giving cash to suicide bombers' families is enough, this is also why we are pissed at Saudi Arabia whom we are slowly realizing are not our friends,

We need to cut oil consumption, we need to get fuel cell cars, and nuclear powerplants, we need to do it now, not just because of the Arab oil thing but also for the environment. Why the hell don't we have this stuff!! (I know, I know, evil corporations...)

I will write a letter to my congressperson

...Iraq

We need to do to Iraq what we are doing to Afghanistan
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