Author Topic: Do you smoke? (Read 16312 times)

Culando · **Reply #180 on:** April 09, 2004, 12:33:16 pm

And you're not forcing your decision that smoking is a violation of other people's rights on us? That point in itself is up for debate.

You're not FORCED to go where smokers go. They don't FORCE you to smoke. Second hand smoke? It's a major inconvenience, yes. I think that some smokers should be more considerate. But you are just over reacting. People act like jerks because they are jerks, not because they smoke.

Don't want to breath in SHS? Then don't go to places where there are a lot of smokers. If you still want to go, then deal with it. Smoking isn't against the law unless it's a non-smoking area. If it's your home or property, then you decide.

Shrike · **Reply #181 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:01:42 pm

I'm glad they banned smoking in (most) clubs and bars here. Going out has been a lot more enjoyable now that I don't come home not only smelling like smoke but having it in my hair.

It's so gross, eww.....

What you should be asking is why do people smoke in the first place? Like.... why? As far as I can tell, once you start the only positive reason to keep smoking is to not have to go through withdrawal.

Lonestar · **Reply #182 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:16:31 pm

You know 20 years ago no one whined, now everyone is a whiner.

"ewww my lungs are getting dirty"

"ewww there is smoke in the air"

"ewww it stinks"

Sound like a bunch of cry babies. Deal with it punks. I got a deal, dont like smoke, stay out of smokers way, if you wont respect what i do, i dont respect you either. Maybe its time to make the country of smokers? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There is enough of us BTW to start our own country, and i bet half the smokers are the pro's in any field. So we dont need you non-smokers.

Shrike · **Reply #183 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:20:31 pm

Feel free to leave then. Nobody's stopping you.

However, why should I have to stay out of your way if you're the one doing the offensive action? Where's the logic in that?

Fineus · **Reply #184 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:26:02 pm

Because he's right...

01010 · **Reply #185 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:27:49 pm

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Originally posted by Lonestar
You know 20 years ago no one whined, now everyone is a whiner.

"ewww my lungs are getting dirty"

"ewww there is smoke in the air"

"ewww it stinks"

Sound like a bunch of cry babies. Deal with it punks. I got a deal, dont like smoke, stay out of smokers way, if you wont respect what i do, i dont respect you either. Maybe its time to make the country of smokers? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There is enough of us BTW to start our own country, and i bet half the smokers are the pro's in any field. So we dont need you non-smokers.

Well that completely defeats the point in any rational argument, you're as bad as Kazan just lurking at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Kazan · **Reply #186 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:28:09 pm

Rictor: you seem to fail to understand human rights, and does does 01010

"talking to a brick wall" because you're not convincing me 01010 - because you're not making a logical argument

Culando: your tolerance of them doesn't change the fact that they are indeed violating other peoples rights

the "avoid them" idea fails - because the way rights work if I have to change my behavior because of you exercising your 'right' then you have gone beyond acceptable exercise of your right and have just infringed on mine

excuse me if i don't jump to your side i've only been dealing with arious rights arguments for as long as i can remember.

Rictor · **Reply #187 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:31:06 pm

The same reason people dress a certain way or listen to a certain type of music. Cause they're weak willed and sway any which way their immediate surroundings push them.

And Lonestar, its not just smoke, its everything now. Worrying is the new "in thing" now. Oooh, calories. Oooh, low fat. Oooh, sugar free. Oooh, enriched with vitamins A, B and D.

Fineus · **Reply #188 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:33:55 pm

There's a subtle difference between being picky about your foods calories and actively killing yourself and those around you with the crap that we know is pumped into the things people smoke.

People can eat what they like - it doesn't affect others. If smokers affected themselves only I'd be fine with what they did. But they affect me as well - and so I'm much less forgiving. Why should I suffer because you feel smoking calms you? It doesn't calm me... it doesn't do me any good at all.

Rictor · **Reply #189 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:44:17 pm

Well, reasonable measures are being taken to protect non-smokers. This means smoking sections, or in some places banning smoking alltogether.

However, if you would like more protection than this, it is my opinion that it it not reasonable to expect and that you are simply being whiny. Nothing short of outright banning smoking could accomodate Kazan's insane requirements, which I would venture to guess are more mental than physical.

Its all about moderation. As it is now, non-smokers don't have to inhale any significant amount of smoke if they don't want to.

Fineus · **Reply #190 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:48:34 pm

Well, clearly you've never been to an average English pub is all I can say. It continues to amuse me that it's illegal to smoke weed around here, but not to smoke anything else, and use of other drugs carries a huge penalty.

If only heroin had a government indorsed industry setup... that would make it right to take it in public. It seems that way for smoking

an0n · **Reply #191 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:53:15 pm

There's another thing I'm gonna do: Legalise all drugs.

If there was a multi-billion pound industry for the pharamceutical firms to exploit you could be damn sure that there'd be massive advanced in the safety and reduction in the side-effects of things like heroin.

Rictor · **Reply #192 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:55:57 pm

Well that, and the fact that it wouldn't get cut with who knows what about 5 times before reaching the user.

Seriously, legalize all drugs. I expect that drug abuse would seriously go down.

01010 · **Reply #193 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:56:48 pm

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Originally posted by an0n
There's another thing I'm gonna do: Legalise all drugs.

If there was a multi-billion pound industry for the pharamceutical firms to exploit you could be damn sure that there'd be massive advanced in the safety and reduction in the side-effects of things like heroin.

I tell you what, people immediately think OMG NO NOT THE DRUGS, but legalising EVERYTHING would be such an immense benefit to everyone that it makes stupid amounts of sense. Truly if their is a war on terrorism you'd make government produced heroin which completely stops the funding of groups such as Al-Quaeda.

an0n · **Reply #194 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:59:04 pm

All you'd have to do was go to all the big crime-lords and say "Stop shipping in immigrant and selling guns to people and we'll legalise all drugs and give you control of the entire market".

They'd murder all the pissy gun and immigrant runners to stop them from rocking the boat and you'd gain an entire organised army of people willing to do 'questionable' things for you that the police couldn't. Not to mention all the tax income.

Kazan · **Reply #195 on:** April 09, 2004, 02:43:23 pm

rictor: eat what you want, drink what you want, injest what you want - soon as it affects someone else you have violated their rights - therefore you cannot smoke, PERIOD

don't like it? TOUGH your right to do things to your own body doesn't authorize you to do things to other peoples bodies

Rictor · **Reply #196 on:** April 09, 2004, 02:57:45 pm

Pff, you British and your fear of immigrants. I've never seen asylum seekers get made in to such a big issue. Canada is like 70% immigrants, and its all the better for it. "Cultural integrity" or whatever, thats bound to go sooner or later.

Kazan: I said it before and I'll say it again: Humanity doesn't and shouldn't work on perfect logic. Everything in moderation and within reason, human rights included.

Now unless you have something new to say, keep quite. You've repeated the same phrase about 15 times, obviously we're not convinced.

Gloriano · **Reply #197 on:** April 09, 2004, 03:12:27 pm

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not only smelling like smoke but having it in my hair.

I really hate that too

vyper · **Reply #198 on:** April 09, 2004, 03:16:23 pm

[q]Pff, you British and your fear of immigrants. I've never seen asylum seekers get made in to such a big issue. Canada is like 70% immigrants, and its all the better for it. "Cultural integrity" or whatever, thats bound to go sooner or later.[/q]

Congratulations, same as the US. You're both made up of immigrants, the UK isn't - we're made of relatively native populations (I use the term relative due to the longevity of our time here and historical invasions etc...).

We have too many civil issues to resolve before we can accept anyone elses problems.

Fineus · **Reply #199 on:** April 09, 2004, 03:16:42 pm

Rictor, who's this "we" you're talking about? So far I've seen you saying that human rights should allow more humans more rights to empeach on eachothers rights. Ignorance is bliss. Apparently.

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