Author Topic: Do you smoke? (Read 16269 times)

J3Vr6 · **Reply #40 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:05:59 pm

I smoke, big deal. I've been doing it for almost 12 years, with a couple of years that I had quit somewhere in there. A pack lasts me about 4 days. Does that make me a bad person? *shrug* I don't do it for the sake of others, so whether people think I'm naughty or not is irrelevant to me.

But, I am conscious that others do not smoke. I won't light up a cigarette in the car (or in the cars of others) if there's even only one person that doesn't smoke in it. I prefer to smoke outside also, instead of inside, out of respect of anyone who's in the room that doesn't smoke. Plus I hate the smell of cigarettes (as crazy as that sounds).

A few years ago, a law was being voted on whether restaurants or bars should ban smoking inside if food consists of 10% or more of their revenue. I voted for it, since I can understand the inconvenience and uncomfortableness (if that's a word) of a non-smoker and kids getting their lungs filled with smoke while eating their fettucine alfredo. The law was passed and now you can't smoke in any restaurant and about 90% of bars.

That could be an inconvenience to me, but I'm not about to put someone in harms way when it's my own conscious decision to harm myself.

Zeronet · **Reply #41 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:07:45 pm

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]Zero, the NHS gets practically no money from smokers is why, the money is diverted to 'other government concerns'. THAT is the only reason smoking costs the NHS so much.

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Seriously, what? NO, the reason it costs the NHS so much, is because thats where sick smokers go and use up beds, medicines, resources, time, all of which cost Money. Heck, the money used does go back into the NHS, but thats not what the game is about. The Government can easy find a few billion quid from taxes other than smoking, its policy is to reduce smoking and thus reduce the cost and strain on the NHS.

Then, there's also that little thing, called trying to save peoples lives....

Rictor · **Reply #42 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:08:39 pm

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Originally posted by Kazan
Rictor: how insulting, presumptous and downright rude - i suppose you smoke from your reaction. Germs are everywhere, we have an immune system to deal with them and we cannot avoid them

Smoking is a choice, and second hand smoke is a violation of human rights.

Yes, and human beings can and should deal with tiny amounts of pain and unpleaseantless in their lives. Please go out and read Fight Club. Being afraid of everything seriously puts a damper on enjoying life.

In theory, any physical contact can be interpreted as pain - varying amount of it, but its pain nevertheless. Does that mean we should stop shaking hands?

And your claim that you can smell someone smoking at 100m is absurd. I'm sure its what you would like to believe, but I find it extremly ard to believe.

I don't want to end up in a world like..err, was it Demolition Man? Not the best movie, but it does a good job of showing what society will end up like if we cater to the neurotic needs of the most extreme individuals in each area of life.

ah, here we go. *puts of flame-proof suit*

edit: no I don't smoke. I said so in my first reply.

Fineus · **Reply #43 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:11:38 pm

If human beings should be able to put up with tiny amounts of unpleasentness, you should be able to put up with not smoking in places that it's inconvenient to others.

After all, you should be able to deal with it. A great many more would benefit from your not smoking than would benefit from it if you did.

Bri_Dog · **Reply #44 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:13:39 pm

I smoke tobacco and pot

Kazan · **Reply #45 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:17:05 pm

J3Vr6: how mature of you, good job

Rictor: I can DEAL, the point is i shouldn't have to deal with someone violating my rights and my body

Now get off your illogical slippery slope that you just went on

you can disbelieve my claim all you want, that doesn't make it not true - 100 yards = 1 football field length, been there - smelled that (playing a soccer game a football field - i was about to take a corner kick - i coudl smell a smoker near the field fence on the far corner - how did i know it was him? he was the only person smoking at the time and was directly upwind from me - so technically he was > 100 yards away due to the fact that A^2+B^2=C^2 and C > A, C > B)

Banning smoking will not end you up in a world like demolition man, nice slipperly slope nitwit. Banning smoking is not "catering to the needs of the most extreme individuals" - it is protecting their rights. Do whatever you want TO YOURSELF

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here is a small sampling of chemicals known to be in tobacco smoke

arsenic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic
cadmium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium
formaldehyde http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formaldehyde (which seems to be the particular contaiminant that causes the reactionary symptoms of headache, watery eyes, etc - but is one of the less dangerous substances)
hydrazine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrazine (seems to be what causes the coughing, it is particularily dangerous)
lead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead
nickel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel

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The maximum allowable body burden for ingested polonium is only 0.03 microcuries, which is equivalent to a particle weighing only 6.8 x 10-12 gram. Weight for weight polonium is approximately 2.5 x 1011 times as toxic as hydrocyanic acid. The maximum permissible concentration for airborne soluble polonium compounds is about 2 x 10-11 microcuries/cm3

radioactive polonium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium

Cyanide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide

page four of this PDF is helpful http://www.ndp.govt.nz/tobacco/ChemicalCompositionCigarettes.pdf

01010 · **Reply #46 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:26:17 pm

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Originally posted by 01010

Like I say, in an ideal world the evil ****s that run the tobacco industry would be the ones that are persecuted, not the poor bastards that got sucked into their web.

ionia23 · **Reply #47 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:28:29 pm

I'd be all for a unilateral ban on tobacco if it were balanced with a ban on all other pollutants, such as vehicle exhaust, manufacturing by-products, etc.

Balance.

Kazan · **Reply #48 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:29:53 pm

ionia23: while it is a logical fallacy to say "you cannot ban X! because you didn't ban Y!" - i agree that the internal combustion engine should be eliminated and replaced with clean transportation as quickly as possible

aldo_14 · **Reply #49 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:30:10 pm

No -despise.

Why? simply because it (literally) hurts my throat & lungs - i tend to cough like a bastard after a few seconds inhaling smoke.

an0n · **Reply #50 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:30:20 pm

If I ever get into power I'm imposing an immediate ban on all use of fossil fuels.

Any damage to the economy would be offset by the upsurge in the renewable resources industries.

Rictor · **Reply #51 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:32:00 pm

What he said. F*ck the oil tycoons.

ionia23 · **Reply #52 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:32:16 pm

If I get in power I'm making FS3.

an0n · **Reply #53 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:34:04 pm

My first speech to Parliament is going to contain the words "**** Wing Commander".

beatspete · **Reply #54 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:34:31 pm

Personally i think smoking should be banned in public places, like it is in Ireland.

People are free to smoke in their own homes, but as far as pubs and night clubs go, i don't want to come home and have to wash everything i wear because it stinks of smoke.
The health concerns do not greatly bother me at the moment, but i'd prefer if people didnt smoke in public places all the same. If someone walked about spraying you with dangerous chemicals, or taking wild swings at people with a baseball bat, do you think that would be banned in public, or is it their right to injure others?

01010 · **Reply #55 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:34:46 pm

Mine would be "Goodnight" prior to spontaneous self combustion.

ChronoReverse · **Reply #56 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:35:12 pm

You shouldn't ban the use of fossil fuels. You should ban the _WASTE_ of fossil fuels by burning it.

There are plenty of good uses for hydrocarbons. Burning them for energy isn't one of them.

ionia23 · **Reply #57 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:35:54 pm

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Originally posted by beatspete
Personally i think smoking should be banned in public places, like it is in Ireland.

People are free to smoke in their own homes, but as far as pubs and night clubs go, i don't want to come home and have to wash everything i wear because it stinks of smoke.
The health concerns do not greatly bother me at the moment, but i'd prefer if people didnt smoke in public places all the same. If someone walked about spraying you with dangerous chemicals, or taking wild swings at people with a baseball bat, do you think that would be banned in public, or is it their right to injure others?

The buzz from being baseball-batted isn't as enjoyable, nor does it go well with a beer.

Unless you happen to be at a Brazilian soccer match.

Kazan · **Reply #58 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:35:55 pm

If i every get money i'm buying the rights to the Wing Commander and FreeSpace universes, and making new sequals to both (and telling certain members of each community to f-off and grow up)

I'd also like to buy the presidency and then do some things to the government that need to be done (make it more efficient, try erase all the tax code and right a new one from scratch that is simplier, easier, and not broken by levels other than a minimum taxability level), oh yeah and kick out the DMCA the copyright extensions and all other assaults on fair use rights

Sheepy · **Reply #59 on:** April 08, 2004, 01:42:16 pm

i just find it funny that something like pills has something like 14 deaths on record ... smoking has that in what ... a month? oh and btw i smoke.

(i couldnt be arsed to read everything)

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