Author Topic: Do you smoke? (Read 16263 times)

Kazan · **Reply #80 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:11:40 pm

I would target _BOTH_ banning it ineffect DOES target both, because the source cannot supply - that means no money for them

and the user cannot smoke, which means they're not violating other peopes rights

Tobacco should be banned - PERIOD

Corsair · **Reply #81 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:12:38 pm

Disgusting habit and bad for your health too. You don't use your lungs for breathing if you smoke...and that takes away from your athletic ability. I play sports.
It's even worse when chicks smoke.

01010 · **Reply #82 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:12:41 pm

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Originally posted by Kazan

so poisoning other people is perfectly acceptable

by this logic it's also perfectly acceptable to:

Rape
Kill
Molest
Mutilate
Destroy
Damage
Steal
.....

See, that's twisting my words, I said that each person is accountable for the consquences of their actions, be that prison or offending someone. I never once said anything that a person does is acceptable because they are free.

Also, seeing that list makes me realise how much I like the word molest.

Rictor · **Reply #83 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:14:58 pm

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Originally posted by Kazan
I would target _BOTH_ banning it ineffect DOES target both, because the source cannot supply - that means no money for them

and the user cannot smoke, which means they're not violating other peopes rights

Tobacco should be banned - PERIOD

And there's your argument out the window.

going...going...gone!!

Kazan · **Reply #84 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:15:04 pm

No, that's not twisting your words - you said anybody can do whatever they want. It follows your words directly. "Accountable for the consequences of their actions" - so since someone is poisoning me by exposing me to cigarette smoke they are technically making a deadly attack on my body, so I am authored to use equal force to protect myself - need I go on

ChronoReverse · **Reply #85 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:16:21 pm

I think you're confusing something.

Free will == I can do anything, but I have to live with consequences.

Amoralism == I can do anything and it's all acceptable.

Under free will, I can smoke, but that isn't acceptable behavior.

Under Amoralism, I can smoke and it's all good even if you choke and die because of it.

01010 · **Reply #86 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:17:02 pm

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Originally posted by Kazan
No, that's not twisting your words - you said anybody can do whatever they want. It follows your words directly. "Accountable for the consequences of their actions" - so since someone is poisoning me by exposing me to cigarette smoke they are technically making a deadly attack on my body, so I am authored to use equal force to protect myself - need I go on

If you felt that a little bit of smoke was really damaging you that badly then go for it, but then you'd have to account for that action to someone else.

Also, I don't think I've ever stated that smoking was acceptable behaviour, I just don't think it's as big an issue as it's made out to be. I'd rather spend the time thinking about something else, y'know?

Kazan · **Reply #87 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:18:32 pm

by your logic everyone must always account to anyone else, any single decision never end - your system doesn't work

01010 · **Reply #88 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:19:25 pm

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Originally posted by Kazan
by your logic everyone must always account to anyone else, any single decision never end - your system doesn't work

Works well enough for me and the people around me who don't piss me off. I'm not forcing anyone else to live by it.

Inquisitor · **Reply #89 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:20:36 pm

Used to, 2 packs a day, for over a decade. Quit cold turkey. one of the smartest things I ever did.

Kazan · **Reply #90 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:21:10 pm

01010: I challenge you to live by it to the point of violating local laws.. see how well that works

you could go commit an atrocity, that works well to - it's acceptable behavior by your logic

Kazan · **Reply #91 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:23:26 pm

Inqui: NICE JOB!!!!!

01010 · **Reply #92 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:25:30 pm

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Originally posted by Kazan
01010: I challenge you to live by it to the point of violating local laws.. see how well that works

you could go commit an atrocity, that works well to - it's acceptable behavior by your logic

Smoking cannabis isn't violating local laws? Been doing that one for nigh on three years and funnily enough I've never had a single complaint.

There you go again see, I COULD go and commit an atrocity but it's not in my nature to, I like to treat people with a bit of respect because you usually find they respect you back, I still don't see how you can say I find it to be acceptable, if someone stabs someone it's not acceptable by my book but it might be by theirs, that still does not mean that they aren't accountable for their actions however.

Kazan · **Reply #93 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:30:05 pm

01010: being descreet keeps you from being caught, and no complaints - thats because the people you hang out with

what you stated before allows everyone to do whateer they want

Lightspeed · **Reply #94 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:32:25 pm

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Originally posted by Kazan
01010: I can _smell_ a smoker well over 100 yards away in open air - and tobacco (or marijuana) smoke is harmful at any concentration and the concerntration required for it to be perceivable is fairly high even for someone with a sensative nose like my own

it's not only that. It's the fact that the 'second hand smoke' is even a lot more toxic than the one the smoker inhales.

I voted for number three.

Rictor · **Reply #95 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:33:32 pm

well, its a fact of life Kaz. At any time, I can go out and murder someone, however I will have to face the consequences. People CAN do whatever they want, they just have to account for their actions later.

This rule does not apply if your daddy is a Congressman though.

Kazan · **Reply #96 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:33:35 pm

Lightspeed: indeed! that is often true because of the filter - it just happens to depend on the individual cigarette

01010 · **Reply #97 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:35:14 pm

Being discreet? Joking right?

I've been caught bong in hand at least three times by the police, they don't give a ****, I asked one of them once if he wanted some and he just laughed.

You ask any police officer, they would rather deal with a group of stoners of a group of drunks anyday of the week.

What I stated before allows anyone to do whatever they want, depending on their mindset. A murderer will murder regardless, however most people like you and me could easily live our lives the way I do and not harm anyone, not step on anyones toes and live a quiet, peaceful life.

I resent the idea of being told what I can and cannot put into my own body, it's a violation of my rights.

Kazan · **Reply #98 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:36:39 pm

01010: technically you don't know if you've exposed someone to your second hand weed smoke - which is equally a human rights violation

ChronoReverse · **Reply #99 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:36:45 pm

[Caps mode] ARGH, there is a difference between Free Will and Amoralism.

You can do WHATEVER you want, but that doesn't make it ACCEPTABLE since reality is based on Free Will and not Amoralism.
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