[Mefustae]

Better they spam in here rather than in a topic that actually might hold a shred of importance.

[Taristin]

No... better they not spam at all, and save the stupid for IM conversations...

[[DW]-Hunter]

Im just waiting for this thread to degenerate into more spam so I can lock it.

how is voicing our opinions spam?

[Snail]

Actualy the  days of the NTF were numbered even as you enter the scene. I mean You have like 4 fleets against what 18 or 20? No matter how you look at it the NTF days were numbered. Even if the GTVA sustained a large amount of damage at the hands of the NTF it was nothing compared to the losses of the NTF.

Why beacuse the GTVA had reserves but the NTF on the other hand felt the loss of every single squadron corvette and destroyer.

The Collie just speeded up the death of the NTF. Oh and le us not forget that it was the GTVA Command that alowed Bosch to survive for so long in the first place. They wahted to get theyr greedy little hands on the Iceni and the ETAK. They just could not do that until they were absolutely certain Bosch actualy finished constructing it.

LOL? Did you not see how many destroyers, corvettes, and cruisers the NTF lost to the colossus? Too many to count thats for sure, The Colossus didnt speed up the death of the NTF, it caused it.

Let's see now. GTVA Colossus kills:

NTC Cato
NTCv Hawkwood
NTC Conquest
NTD Repulse
NTD Andronicus
NTC Camisard
NTCv Vanguard

That's all I can really remember. That's two destroyers and a few corvettes.

Im just waiting for this thread to degenerate into more spam so I can lock it.

how is voicing our opinions spam?

Yeah? (rather not argue with Taristin though).

[Dysko]

Let's see now. GTVA Colossus kills:

NTC Cato

Shouldn't the Cato supposed to be destroyed by the player?

And you forgot the NTC Congreve, so this evens the error.

[Snail]

True. But I put it there because I knew it was Vanguard and something else.

[[DW]-Hunter]

They also destroy,

NTC Vengence
NTCv Amakuni
**** i forgot the others, they are in the OFFICIAL volition multiplayer games.

Edit : Ok the ships are
NTC Napoleon
NTCv Amakuni
NTC Vengence
NTD Alsace
NTD Corsica
NTC Rightous
NTC Retribution
NTC Vindication

[Snail]

Oh, in multi. Forgot about those. Go raid the Wiki.

[[DW]-Hunter]

so, this is what gets destroyed...

NTC Napoleon
NTCv Amakuni
NTC Vengence
NTD Alsace
NTD Corsica
NTC Rightous
NTC Retribution
NTC Vindication
NTD Repulse
NTD Andronicus
NTD Uhuru
NTD Vindicator
NTC Cato
NTCv Hawkwood
NTC Conquest
NTC Camisard
NTCv Vanguard
NTF Iceni
NTT Venture
NTC Epigoni
NTC Alba
NTCv Yo****omo
NTT Inspiration
NTC Liberty
NTC Undaunted
NTCv Perseverance
NTCv Pax
NTC Loyola
NTCv Danton
NTCv Belasarius
NTC Glorious
NTC Impervious

Thats a long list of ships, still... I bet there are a few missing ones

[Vasudan Commander]

Let's see now. GTVA Colossus kills:

NTC Cato

Shouldn't the Cato supposed to be destroyed by the player?

The Suicide Kings Intercept Squadron claimed that kill, along with fire support from Enif Station turrets.

[[DW]-Hunter]

kk my list has been updated if I missed any, let me know.

[Roanoke]

wasn't the Vindication in one of the Raptor missions ?


also, the BTF was hust a front for Bosch to raid ancients site/tech so it was more-than-likely always on borrowed time

[[DW]-Hunter]

no it wasnt, it was from M-03

[Snail]

Most of these are not destroyed by the Colossus. There real cause is:

NTC Rightous - GTCv Murakami
NTC Retribution - GTCv Murakami
NTC Vindication - GTCv Murakami
NTD Uhuru - GVD Hedetet
NTD Vindicator - GVCv Hyksos
NTC Cato - Enif Station
NTF Iceni - Self Destruction
NTT Venture - GVCv Hyksos
NTC Epigoni - GVCv Hyksos
NTC Alba - GVCv Hyksos
NTCv Yo****omo - Blockade
NTT Inspiration - GVD Hedetet
NTC Liberty - GVD Hedetet
NTC Undaunted - GVD Hedetet
NTCv Perseverance - GVD Hedetet
NTCv Pax - GVD Hedetet
NTC Loyola - GTCv Monitor

And there are 2 Vindicators. One is the NTC Vindication, multi mission, and the other is the NTD Vindicator, Raptor mission.

[[DW]-Hunter]

Most of these are not destroyed by the Colossus. There real cause is:

NTC Rightous - GTCv Murakami
NTC Retribution - GTCv Murakami
NTC Vindication - GTCv Murakami
NTD Uhuru - GVD Hedetet
NTD Vindicator - GVCv Hyksos
NTC Cato - Enif Station
NTF Iceni - Self Destruction
NTT Venture - GVCv Hyksos
NTC Epigoni - GVCv Hyksos
NTC Alba - GVCv Hyksos
NTCv Yo****omo - Blockade
NTT Inspiration - GVD Hedetet
NTC Liberty - GVD Hedetet
NTC Undaunted - GVD Hedetet
NTCv Perseverance - GVD Hedetet
NTCv Pax - GVD Hedetet
NTC Loyola - GTCv Monitor

And there are 2 Vindicators. One is the NTC Vindication, multi mission, and the other is the NTD Vindicator, Raptor mission.

You forgot that 4 Mjonirs helped the Heditet, the heditet alone would not be able to kill most of them.

[Snail]

Yeah, but do you think I would write

NTD Uhuru - GVD Hedetet, GVC Unut, Alpha, Beta, Iota wings and 5 Mjolnir RBCs?

It was just a little pointer, not a real list or anything. Also, the Murakami didn't actually kill the Righteous, Retri and Vindication, they self destructed from a weapons failure.

[Sarafan]

Withouth the Colossus, it just means that the NTF has a fighting chance but not a good one, their situation is already grim on the start of the game with both 13th Vasudan battlegroup and 3rd fleet breaking the NTF forces at Deneb. Also, everyone keeps mentioning the shivans but would the NTF still make the same rush for the portal to capture it withouth the Colossus?

[Snail]

The final charge to get to the Knossos was set in motion by the destruction of both the NTD Andronicus and the NTD Cyrene, and then the GTVA's attack on both Polaris and Sirius.

[[DW]-Hunter]

Yeah, but do you think I would write

NTD Uhuru - GVD Hedetet, GVC Unut, Alpha, Beta, Iota wings and 5 Mjolnir RBCs?

It was just a little pointer, not a real list or anything. Also, the Murakami didn't actually kill the Righteous, Retri and Vindication, they self destructed from a weapons failure.

Only the rightous explodes from weapons failure, the other two escape. But are probably destroyed later on judging on how things were looking in the campaign

[Goober5000]

Withouth the Colossus, it just means that the NTF has a fighting chance but not a good one, their situation is already grim on the start of the game with both 13th Vasudan battlegroup and 3rd fleet breaking the NTF forces at Deneb.

Actually, many of the failure debriefings from the first act of the campaign describe the NTF winning.