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Offline Fury

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Isn't it because they're considered just plain too fragile?

IIRC you designed most of the weapons, didn't you Fury? Good a time as any to say that without exception they're pretty awesome.
Hyperion should be more durable than Aeolus, which in turn is more durable than Leviathan. AoA weapons were designed before my involvement in the team. What tweaks were made between original AoA and Director's Cut were minor at best, excluding Balor.
I expect Hyperions to be quickly superseeded by the Cretheus in its intended gunboat and warship escort role.
How the hell you know about Cretheus?

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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Been mentioned in #bp. A good while ago actually. Said there would be an UEF equivalent too.
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Offline The E

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While that might be true for the fight against the UEF, remember that the Hyperion was built to fight shivans, where I think it performs much better. But yeah, if there's one lesson for the GTVA to take away from this fight, it's that cruisers are only useful as escort ships for destroyers and corvettes, the lone cruiser patrol we sometimes see in FS2 is really a thing of the past.
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Offline Mars

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Been mentioned in #bp. A good while ago actually. Said there would be an UEF equivalent too.
Well, I suppose it is one of the best designed assets available.
The problem with the Hyperion is that it's a cruiser - which means that you don't need bombs or warships to take those out

Actually I believe all of the WiH cruisers have Heavy Armor 100 "Only huge flagged weapons can trigger piercing effects when hull reaches 5%. Puncture weapons deal 100% damage. Spawn weapons deal 20% damage. Mainly used for large warships, cruisers and up." I think that means non-Huge weapons can only get them to 5%?



 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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For cruisers ? Hell not. I killed an Aeolus with bare Mauls in the second mission of WiH.
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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Actually you can save those two, so long as you remember to take out the Hood's BFGreen.

 

Offline Mars

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Actually you can save those two, so long as you remember to take out the Hood's BFGreen.

Right you are, edited.

Although I'd have to say, the Medea is a lot more of a problem.

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Actually you can save those two, so long as you remember to take out the Hood's BFGreen.

Right you are, edited.

Although I'd have to say, the Medea is a lot more of a problem.

The checkpoint for that mission is just in the right place that you have time to rearm if you're out of paveways and knock out the Medea's starboard beams. I guess it's a personal thing, but I always found it more difficult to burn to the Hood in time to take out it's main cannon before it one-shots both crusiers. It's such a twisted moment: to see them cut down just after salvation, but so awesomely in a single salvo of juicy green beam.

There's now a permanent fingerprint on my tab key from the amount of replays and desperate afterburning taken to save the cruisers. :)

 

Offline Destiny

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Well actually Buckshee Rounds, I call in a bunch of stuff from the Eris to kill off the Medea while I put engines to full on my Atalanta, then afterburn my way to the Hood and unleash Kayser-Tempest fire on the two beam cannons, then quickly run back to the Indus. The Hood doesn't even shoot at you...those flak cannons have horrible depression. Just...don't fly behind the front beam cannons, you'll...get fried.

  

Offline General Battuta

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The Hood should really have a couple more escorts (like some Aeoluses off the bow for instance) the way the Meridian did, but the mission was huge and complex enough as is...

...however it would've been kind of sweet to give the Toutatis a few more things to shoot at...hmmmmm...

 

Offline Destiny

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The Hood should really have a couple more escorts (like some Aeoluses off the bow for instance) the way the Meridian did, but the mission was huge and complex enough as is...

...however it would've been kind of sweet to give the Toutatis a few more things to shoot at...hmmmmm...
What I'm curious is that the Serkr team was deployed wrongly. If they did their usual shock jump tactics they'd blow up the Wargods...what's going on? Is that command guy head.ani really that desperate for a GTL Anemoi?

 

Offline General Battuta

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The Hood should really have a couple more escorts (like some Aeoluses off the bow for instance) the way the Meridian did, but the mission was huge and complex enough as is...

...however it would've been kind of sweet to give the Toutatis a few more things to shoot at...hmmmmm...
What I'm curious is that the Serkr team was deployed wrongly. If they did their usual shock jump tactics they'd blow up the Wargods...what's going on? Is that command guy head.ani really that desperate for a GTL Anemoi?

No they wouldn't have. And having Serkr shock jump in could have been disastrous.

Note how long it took the AWACS in 'Collateral Damage' to plot their entry - several minutes. There was an AWACS with the Hood as well, but by the time Serkr was ready to make its entry, the ECM ship would have already arrived. Even if there hadn't been an ECM ship available, there's another issue: if Serkr jumps in, it can't jump out for at least a minute or two. With UEF assets doubtless ready to assist the Wargods, that could've led to the loss of one (or more) of the corvettes. Putting them in play earlier guarantees they can jump out if threatened. (The intrasystem gate also has a bit of an impact on navigational solutions).

As a general rule, it's easy to look back on a situation, knowing the outcome, and say 'oh, this could have been differently/was done wrong'. But in the actual course of battle, you're down in the fog of war, and whether you're invading Iraq or fighting a space war in the distant future, the only rule is that the retrospectively optimal strategy is rarely apparent in the moment.

 

Offline Scotty

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I expect Hyperions to be quickly superseeded by the Cretheus in its intended gunboat and warship escort role.
How the hell you know about Cretheus?

I want it.  Badly.

 

Offline Commander Zane

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I have no idea what the hell it is.

 

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Offline Commander Zane

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Oh that Cretheus, must've forgotten about it in VD.

 
No beam cannons or TerPulse weapons?
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[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
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[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

Offline General Battuta

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It has pulse weapons in BP. Probably won't have any antifighter beams, as it's smaller than a cruiser.

 
Oh, so it is more like a Terran Satis then.
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[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Except in its default setup having eight Standard Flak rips the almighty **** out of Strike Craft.
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