[Mr Carrot]

Oh id like to point out from my luncheon with Mr Bush (snr) and his autobiogtaphy, it wasnt his idea to stop the campaign but the CIA.

[NeoHunter]

Originally posted by icespeed
Neohunter. Are you saying that all countries should mind their own damn business? Cos they're not going to. It's not in human nature to keep your nose to yourself, and it's not in human nature to be peaceful, either. Humans might have all these nice, fancy ideological ideas, but have any of them ever worked?
I mean, communism was a _good_ idea... until it got put into practice, when human nature stuffed the theory up.

What I mean is that the US should poke into other countries affairs less. They are like the world's biggest busybody now. Report on this country's human rights, saying that country should do this. For god's sake! Just shut up!!!

China is doing well now. Its still communist. So what? As long as its doing okay, why shold the US see a need to write reports on its human rights issues, tell it not to do this and that? Its like I don't lie the way you dress and I tell you to wear dresses instead. You like that?! Huh?!

Helping countries with tensions come to a resolution peacefully is good. In fact, I think others should do tht too. But when you overstep the line and start poking your nose into the businesses of others, including dometic ones, you become a nuisanse.

And before the US goes on some "holy war against terrorism" on Iraq, they better have some real CONCRETE evidence. Don't go into Iraq with the simple cock reason like "I believe he funded Al-Queada" ****. Its not enough.

[CODEDOG ND]

Hmmm....now where do I start my cynical remarks eh?



Why doesn't the UN do anything about it and why does the US not care about the UN's position?

Because the UN is weak and a really screwed up piece of junk.  The US is one of the permanent members of the UN and the UN has really no authority over ANY of the permanent members.

America is doing this just for their own interest!

Umm...Do I really need to bust out the world history book people!
Britian, France, United States, Spain, Portugal, Soviet Union, Germany, Italy, etc etc etc.  Have all invaded others for personal interest, so who really has the right to tell another country not to invade?  The answer is nobody.

America is a bunch of hypocrits that just want the oil.

Your point being..................................what?  That you won't benefit from it?  Of course, it's all about that oil, and I want it.


The muslims will rebel!

Stereotyping....tsk tsk tsk.  

Iraq will inflict heavy casualities on any force that invades!

From what army?  And with what?  A couple of Yugo SKS's and some AK's.  US special forces now have the ability to shoot around a building accurately without showing the main body.  Come on people, have faith in militaries you bunch of damn leftist liberals!

Codedog, your an Neo-Facist Imperialist you asshole!!!

Yes....if you ask yourself that question you are correct!

The war would be unjust!


Moral issue once again.  Unjust can't be defined and is irrelevant.

America doesn't give much in forgien aid.

Bah!  If it was up to me I wouldn't give them a ****in thing.  We have enough homeless people.

Ok...Codedog what is your opinion then?

Invade of course, but I think the US should start in Australia and work your way up.  

Codedog, your **** is the most stupidest most unheard of crap you evil white supremist and conservative!  Just shut the hell up!


Hey...it's a free internet.  

[Bobboau]

Sadam proudly admits paying suicide bombers' famelies,
something like $20,000

that alone is suporting terrorism

if we have further suspisions they are irrelivent to this fact

[NeoHunter]

Originally posted by Bobboau
Sadam proudly admits paying suicide bombers' famelies,
something like $20,000

that alone is suporting terrorism

if we have further suspisions they are irrelivent to this fact

Okay then. I gave Osama bin Laden $20,000 also. Now what? You want to tell the US army to descend on me like a pack of wolves?

I could also say that I own the MacDonald's chain of resturants if I want to.

All these are verbal. Where is the hard evidence?

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by NeoHunter

Okay then. I gave Osama bin Laden $20,000 also. Now what? You want to tell the US army to descend on me like a pack of wolves?

Let's ask ourselves this, why did he say that? Because he wants us to attack him so he can look like the victim. Why don't we do what he wants, and accidently kill him in the process?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
Hmmm....now where do I start my cynical remarks eh?



Why doesn't the UN do anything about it and why does the US not care about the UN's position?

Because the UN is weak and a really screwed up piece of junk.  The US is one of the permanent members of the UN and the UN has really no authority over ANY of the permanent members.

America is doing this just for their own interest!

Umm...Do I really need to bust out the world history book people!
Britian, France, United States, Spain, Portugal, Soviet Union, Germany, Italy, etc etc etc.  Have all invaded others for personal interest, so who really has the right to tell another country not to invade?  The answer is nobody.

America is a bunch of hypocrits that just want the oil.

Your point being..................................what?  That you won't benefit from it?  Of course, it's all about that oil, and I want it.


The muslims will rebel!

Stereotyping....tsk tsk tsk.  

Iraq will inflict heavy casualities on any force that invades!

From what army?  And with what?  A couple of Yugo SKS's and some AK's.  US special forces now have the ability to shoot around a building accurately without showing the main body.  Come on people, have faith in militaries you bunch of damn leftist liberals!

Codedog, your an Neo-Facist Imperialist you asshole!!!

Yes....if you ask yourself that question you are correct!

The war would be unjust!


Moral issue once again.  Unjust can't be defined and is irrelevant.

America doesn't give much in forgien aid.

Bah!  If it was up to me I wouldn't give them a ****in thing.  We have enough homeless people.

Ok...Codedog what is your opinion then?

Invade of course, but I think the US should start in Australia and work your way up.  

Codedog, your **** is the most stupidest most unheard of crap you evil white supremist and conservative!  Just shut the hell up!


Hey...it's a free internet.  

And these are all the reasons known as to why Codedog isnt a leader of any country and will never be.

UN a peice of crap? Go read you schmuck before you dig a hole so deep you'll change your name.

You got to understand most wars start, continue and end with the political front. No support means no fight or eventual end, support means a fight. Face facts here, not enough Europeans support this war on Saddam, and just over half of the US population support it. Its a PR nightmare to fight right now, when so many "political" issues can be put forth.

Next time I hear someone talk of the UN with such disdain they should be shot by me in Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault.

Codedog, your opinion is welcome, just really uninformed and also uneducated.

[Bobboau]

the UN sucks

[Star Dragon]

I forgot what movie that was in.. A character say something like,"and after the Un there was X,Y,Z all of which failed to achieve peace on Earth". LOL

So yes  I would say the CURRENT incarnation of the "world political body" blows goats (Baaaaah).

BTW I believe there should be a mix of TRUE COMMUNISM and DEMOCRACY. Each on their own is flawed and in the end (it doesn't even matter) ops I like that song!.. Anyway, who else here is in the military or ex-military (I was in Army Intelligence, that's why I got out after 3 years! Did you ever know that the emblem on the collar of the Colonial Warriors in BSG is the Army Intelligence Symbol? When I got mine I thought that was the coolest!)

BTW we have to attack soon before the asteroid turns Baghbad into a parkinglot!!!

[CP5670]

Codedog: very good points there.

Also, the thing about the UN is that it may keep saying things but it does not have any real power to actually influence any national government.

BTW I believe there should be a mix of TRUE COMMUNISM and DEMOCRACY.

I want full communism with a computerized dictator running things.

Next time I hear someone talk of the UN with such disdain they should be shot by me in Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault.

I need to play with you guys in that sometime once I get my primary computer working again.

[Mr Carrot]

The UN is great for providing a unified front against things such as poverty but agreed it is wank for doing important things..... like war.

The UN hasnt had any balls since Korea.

[an0n]

The idea of the League Of Nations and the UN was that there's strength in numbers and that people could only do something if it was permissable by the human race as a whole. But the idea has two flaws:

1) Governments (ideally) represent the population. UN ambassadors represent the government and somewhere along the way, the needs, wants and desires of the population are lost.
2) The permenant members of the security council (America, Britain, France, China, Russia and German methinks) has pretty much unquestionable power without the UN. If any of these countries wants someone dead then they're dead, regardless of how much support they have from the rest of the world. These nations control the bulk of the worlds force and could quite easily crush an alliance of any number of hostile nations. As such, they don't need to listen to anyone.

And through all this, time is wasted debating issues and in that time the situation gets worse and ultimately, nothing major is ever agreed upon.

The only real benefit of the UN is two fold:
1) It rings in the prophecies the Bible makes about the end of the world.
2) It stops the permenant members from nuking each other as the formality of the UN gives them a way to back down from nuclear war and still save face.

[Carl]

...and amerca gets stuck with the bill.

[Mr Carrot]

America pays the most but not proportionally.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Mr Carrot
America pays the most but not proportionally.

*waves Dutch flag again*

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Carl
...and amerca gets stuck with the bill.

I don't think America can complain.... it got immunity for all it's peacekeepers from war crimes prosecution for the next 5 years or so - in other words, carte blanche.

[phreak]

Originally posted by Mr Carrot
The UN hasnt had any balls since Korea.

thats because it was 98% US, and many of the soldiers had battle experience in Europe or Pacific.  plus MacArthur

[Zeronet]

Which is more important, the thought(ie 4% of GNP) or the most money(ie what America gives)...its an interesting question.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Which is more important, the thought(ie 4% of GNP) or the most money(ie what America gives)...its an interesting question.

You really are ignorant, aren't you?

I didn't mean that I don't appreciate the money that the US gives but if the states would give 4% (Like some other countries) many problems around the globe could be solved.

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by aldo_14


I don't think America can complain.... it got immunity for all it's peacekeepers from war crimes prosecution for the next 5 years or so - in other words, carte blanche.

Cause you know we're out there killing babies and such. That's the only reason we're going over there, to commit war crimes. So thank god we can't be prosecuted, this is the chance we've been waiting for!