Originally posted by Levyathan
The answer to this is simple: that's not how it works.
Why not? The Matrix series seems to be fairly good at keeping up with its own internal logic, so why not this? Keep in mind, this is just a logical reasoning of what the experience
should
be like, not what it actually is. It would probably not be so simple if it were really to happen, but it just seems to be a matter of being in control of your own mind
Originally posted by Levyathan
It's not just a matter of knowing it's a simulation. Notice the jump scene in The Matrix. At that point, Neo already knows he's inside a computer simulation, yet he is unable to ignore the laws of physics in order to get to the other building.
Thats right, but it was the first jump; the first time he's ever done it. It stands to reason that he would improve with time. If i were in that situation, I'de just calmly walk across, on the air....
Originally posted by Levyathan
This continues my previous point. In order to bend the rules of the simulation, you need a certain level of understanding. The whole first movie is about that, it's Neo's path to enlightenment. Being the One, he is able to 'free his mind' to degrees unimaginable to common people.
Yup, I think thats what Morpheus was reffering to when he said "There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path". There's a difference between
knowing its not real, and
believing its not real. However, it seems to be thats its just a matter of self discipline and control over your mind, which could be the answer to the question, since most people dont seem to be very good at that.
Originally posted by Levyathan
I'm not sure what your point is. It's not like everyone was instantly freed after Revolutions.
Right. But, I think that it was sort of implied throughout the trilogy that freeing everyone was their ultimate goal. They simply couldn't pull it off. Maybe, maybe not. I'm just noteing the fact that freeing everyone all at once is not a feasible solution.
Originally posted by Levyathan
Nope, they were talking about human beings.
I'm not quite sure here. The first time I saw the movie, (well the only time) I immediatly thought they were reffering to machines. Its not until I read other people's view on the subject that I even considered the possibility that they were talking about humans. Its just that, it kinda makes sense since there was
of talk about exiled programs, especially in Revolutions. As well, I still don't believe machines would just let humanity go. Its not logical. And from what I can gather, the Machine Mainframe (whatever its called, the machine "leadership") functions on logic, not emotion (such as compation) so they would really have no reason to honour their promise to Neo, since honour is not something that is very high on the machine's priority list.
Originally posted by Levyathan
The war is over. Humanity is no longer enslaved. If you choose to stay plugged into the Matrix, it's not much of a prison anymore.
Again, I dont believe the machines would let humanity choose. They have no reason to do so, other than their promise to Neo, and who says that machines feel honour-bound to follow up on their promises. They are clearly stronger, they still need the humans to survive so really they have no reason to let them go.
Originally posted by Levyathan
What about the third wave? What about the countless other waves that would attack if the previous ones were defeated? Zion never had any chance.
Well, from what I've seen, the machines sent in an attack wave to kill off Zion. Once the Hammer hit the EMP, the first wave went down, and the machines sent in all the remaining Sentinels to take advantage of the situation. I don't think it was ever intended for the second wave to go in. Also, Locke (I think) said that the machines would send all their remaining forces to strike Zion while it was disabled. So that means that the first wave+the second wave =most of the machine army. 10 or so EMPs would certainly be enough to handle any additional waves, which would probably be so small that they could be taken care of by the APU squads (assuming they were kept a safe distance away from the EMPs as a backup plan). This is why Neo and Trinity had such an easy time getting to the machine city, all the Sentinel forces were otherwise engaged.
Originally posted by Levyathan
Neo is always connected to the Source. Through the Source he is able to manipulate machine code. That's also how he sees the machines after having his eyes burnt.
Hmm, don't quite understand this. From what I know, Neo still has a human body. And a human body is not capable of broadcasting signals. However, since we only use a small percentage of our brain's potential, maybe the unused part is capable of transmitting, and this is the part that Neo unlocked (or had unlocked because he is The One). If his human mind was capable of transmitting a signal, then him being The One could explain how what signal is able to interfere with the machines, since he is connected to the Source.
Originally posted by Levyathan
Yes, it was reloaded. Not exactly like the previous times, though.
I just don't buy it. The whole Matrix story has to achieve something more than "a slight improvement over previous times". Its got be have a greater impact.
Originally posted by Levyathan
I'll let you figure this out by yourself.
Yeah, thats kinda the plan
Originally posted by Levyathan
The choice the Oracle had to make was to help or not to help Neo. She chose to help, by letting Smith take over her.
But what if thats what happened the previous times. The Architect could have been lying about Zion having been destroyed and Neo choosing X men and Y women to remake it. In that case, the Oracle would have to choose between doing what she did (talking to Neo, letting Smith assimilate her) and simply continue the circle, or telling Neo how to really make a change.
Originally posted by Levyathan
First of all, it was not the 'save Trinity' door. It was the 'back to the Matrix' door. The Architect never said Neo would be able to save Trinity by choosing the left door - he said said she would die no matter what door Neo chose.
Also, the previous five Ones did choose the right door. Otherwise either humanity would no longer exist or they would have found a way to break the cycle.
Assuming he was telling the truth. Its just that once people see some guy in ahite suit who looks like he knows whats going on, they assume that he is a source of truthful information. Remember, even the programs (the Architect, the Oracle) have their own agendas.
