[Mr. Vega]

Originally posted by Stealth


not to stir it up or anything, but i was just wondering.  if gay marriage is approved in every state (eventually)... what would be next?  what about a guy that wants to get married to two twin girls.  what about five people that want to all get married?  It sounds stupid, but what's in the constitution to deny it?

What about a man who wants to marry his dog?

What about a woman who wants to marry her son?

And what if someone wants to marry his father, his mother, his brother, his nephew, his cousin, and his former roomate?:D

If you're comparing allowing someone to marry his dog to allowing gays to marry, then you lack the mentality to be for gay rights.

[Kazan]

Stealth: A) those are all known as a slipper slope arguments -- it's a wide fallacy

B) I see no reason to prohibit polyamorous relationships if the people involved are of consenting age, and are sane
C) an animal cannot consent so it doesn't pass the "safe, sane, consenting" rule
D) if he's underage it doesn't pass SSC, otherwise it doesn't pass the cousins' rule

i'm completely on your side, by the way, but i thought i'd bring it out that it's been proven time and time again that gays are not born gay

Completely, totally, patently, scientifically FALSE

you have not kept up with the latest meedical science. -- the situation you described is called "repression", it happens a lot due to the repressive bigoted society we live in


Ghostavo:

Isn't there a religion somewhere that lets you have not one, but many wives? If a government is solely trying to put a law based on a single religion... isn't it just... wrong? Or am I way out of line?

Many

Tin Can: BIGOT, what does two people doing something in the privacy of their own home have to do with you -- furthermore shuve the 'sancitity of marriage' crap up your ass, it has been PROVEN the more religious a couple is the the MORE likely they are to divorce (Source: The Fundamentals of Extremism, and it's sources)



PS: christianity didn't invent marriage, marriage _LONG_ predates religion

[Night Hammer]

not too be inflammatory at all just wondering from the tenacity of your reply Kazan are you a homosexual? or just a concerned citizen?

[Taristin]

Kaz is straight. But that's not the issue here.

[Kazan]

Night Hammer: certain people don't think you have the right to ask - however FOR THE RECORD

I am straight and I live with my female fiancee (me being male)

I am pro-human-rights, anti-invasive-government, and I respect the founding fathers intent to keep government and religion seperate as they learned that lesson with their blood

[Night Hammer]

i know i know i was just wondering, and whoever made the crack about texas knows jack**** until they come and actually stay a while down here, granted we have our lil inbred anti-anything not white/straight, but for the most part people down here (or at least our town) dont care, and believe its up to the person

[Beowulf]

Good.

[Kazan]

Good what? you agree with this crap?

[BlackDove]

Hahaha.

Well I can't say I give a ****, given I'm not homosexual.

But I think only homosexual people should get to vote on the same-sex marriage issue.

[Styxx]

Let's just try not to insult each other, ok?

[Beowulf]

Absolutely.

You can **** and suck all you want, I don't care.

Marriage is a declaration of a union to create and raise children in a secure enviroment.

...Not a declaration of ****ing. The arguement among the homosexual community is that through marraige, they gain the rights denied them. Civil Unions accomplish this. Talk about killing bird with a bomb.

[Rictor]

mmm, not good, but you know, thats life.

Whether gays are born that way or not should be moot. They are what they are.  Also, I remember a speciufic quote by, I think Jefferson, that really trashed Christianity badly. I'll see if I can find it.

If only people would get this passionate about global issues, tommorow I would awaken to a better world. Don't to sound cold, but to me, this outrage just smacks of arrogance. **** the rest of the world, but the small group of people within my field of view better not be deprived of a single right, or there'll be hell to pay.\

and just so we're clear, I think its pretty obvious where I stand on this.

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Beowulf
Marriage is a declaration of a union to create and raise children in a secure enviroment.

That's news to me.

Since when?

[Rictor]

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

Hmm, I've found a large number of Jefferon quotes regarding Christianity, if you like,. Frankly, I don't see the point. First if all, he's dead. Second of all, his beliefs are not somehow infalliable.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

edit: The second quote is not really true, not at this time anyway. Its mostly true, but religious figures, and religion as a whole has been and is heavily involved in liberation and anti-imperialist/colonialst movement in South America, though much to the disapproval of the Catholic Church. And also, Poland.

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Beowulf
Absolutely.

You can **** and suck all you want, I don't care.

Marriage is a declaration of a union to create and raise children in a secure enviroment.

...Not a declaration of ****ing. The arguement among the homosexual community is that through marraige, they gain the rights denied them. Civil Unions accomplish this. Talk about killing bird with a bomb.

Umm, wtf are you  on dude?  Since when did gay marraige equal a ****fest?  Nice to see your fundie logic shine through.  By your logic, a marraige between a man and woman is nothing more than a declaration of ****ing.

By very definition, this is outright unconstitutional.  Nowhere in the US Constitution does it state that marriage only applies to one man and one woman, only that a man and woman can marry.

[Kazan]

BD that's an interesting take..  but you don't care about other peoples human rights?

[Kazan]

Vertigo just owned Beowulf..


Beowulf let your ignorance shine through some more please

(Styxx: if someone's a bigot, they NEED to be called on it, plain and simple -- something cannot be an insult if it's true)

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Kazan
Vertigo just owned Beowulf..

Sad thing is, I deal with bigots like him all the time.  IRL and online.

And before he comes back saying I'm a 'fag', let me assure everyone here that I am 100% straight as an arrow.  I just don't feel the need to hold a grudge against someone for no reason other than their sexual preference.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Mr. Vega


And what if someone wants to marry his father, his mother, his brother, his nephew, his cousin, and his former roomate?:D

If you're comparing allowing someone to marry his dog to allowing gays to marry, then you lack the mentality to be for gay rights.

but once again, i'm all for gay rights!!!!!!!, just not official gay marriages.

[Kazan]

Mr Vega's post is pointing out slippery-slope arguments

And what if someone wants to marry his father, his mother, his brother, his nephew, his cousin, and his former roomate?

"father" - fails relative-test
"mother" - fail relative-test
"Brother" - fails relative-test
"nephew" - fails relative-test
"cousin" - fails relative-test
"former roommate" - so if a couple [heterosexual for the sake of frying you ignorance ass] live togeather for a while, then live appart for a while (so they're 'former roommates') you think they should be prohibitted from being married

If you're comparing allowing someone to marry his dog to allowing gays to marry,

fails "safe-sane-consentual" test

i thought i'd clarifiy for Mr V on why these arguments are laughable