Of course you're at loss for words - you realise you're driven into a corner
Explain to me PLEASE, how come that journalists are no big deal to any other country doing warfare?
Can you PLEASE show me examples of horrible losses the other countries suffered because of journalists?
I don't know why they aren't a big deal. Maybe the other countries haven't experienced losses they can trace back to unchecked media coverage. Maybe their enemies don't have the time to waste staring at a screen trying to guess what the backdrop is behind that reporter so it's not an issue. Maybe because their enemies are so poorly equipped that it doesn't matter that little bit of intel you can gather from your TV. Maybe other countries don't have the balls or are unable to tell reporters to bug off because they aren't fighting in their own country. There is 101 reasons why it isn't a problem for any other country... or at least not a known problem.
And no I can't. I wasn't present for anyone else's wars. I wouldn't know where to begin.
Wait..so now you trust Hezbollah? What if they said that only cause they knew Israel would overreact (as usual)?
Umm... when opposing sides in a conflict corroborate on a story it tends to be because it's true.
So, a journalist traveling with a military force is generally allowed to transmitt only at specific times (like after the attack has already started, so the position of the troops is pretty much useless to the enemy since they already know).
Not to mention that I've yet to see a news report that shows a military force in any detail. A cammera might pan and you might see a APC and some soldiers, a tank passing by. But that's only a fraction of a force and any info you get is sketchy at best.
Finally, you still fail to explain how no other country has problems with it.
Or are you saying that all other countries are moronic? Or that the forces they fought against are idiotic?
Most reports aren't real time. And when they are they are made in the base camp or after the force has already made an attack.
Again, how come other countries don't have so big problems with it?
“I'm standing here on (name) hill where down below in the valley (country) troops, tanks and APC's, are making their way (direction) towards (town) which is said to be an Enemy stronghold”
I don't know how many times I saw live transmissions exactly like that during 2nd Lebanon war. Yeah they don't show how many when they will arrive or specifics but believe me when your front line is crushed and you don't have to waste scouts to find out where the enemy is heading it really helps.
I don't know why you think you know standard operating procedures for Media crews... are you a part of one in your country. Maybe it does things differently.
So I guess Hamas didn't build hospitals and schools and didn't help feed and clothe people?
If there's anyone with his head in the sand, it's you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9MmaP5VAk4&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LaAvZp7EP4&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcs64YLbuGU&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR8Tfd0i4lYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y&feature=relatedhttp://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=nvN&q=hamas&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=IJHTSZb1Ic3RjAeRx7jyBg&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=5&ct=title#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAEThey build schools and booby trap them teach the children that martyrdom is their highest aspiration. Thank you Hamas for all you have done for the Palestinian people.
“When children attend their schools and mosques, parents are required to sign oaths of allegiance.”
http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/media/78u409g64p5jvh491v5m/contributions/x/2/6/5/x26530218g04pll8.pdfYour looking at an abused animal (Palestinian people) who when given scraps by it's master (Hamas) it wags it's tail and since he gives it food to keep it barley alive he is a great caretaker of that animal.
And spare me the “he called Palestinians animals” It's clear what I mean.
Nice attempt at dodging the issue, but I'm not falling for it. you know very well what I mean with that post.
"If they loved each other more than hated us they wouldn't have any problems with Israel." is the whole point, don't try to dodge it.
"Them" and "us" - doesn't matter if those terms describe all Israeli/Arabs or just a smaller sub-set, the point remains the same.
Uhh yeah. How can I be dodging what I brought up?
"If you loved eachother more than you hated them, you wouldn't have any problems with Gaza." is just as retarded a statement as yours is. But works just as much as yours. It's an "argument" (and I use the term jokingly) that can be used by anyone, anywhere, against anyone. Thus making it completley useless.
If the US loved each other more than they hated Taliban they wouldn't have any problems... oh wait no because the Taliban has sworn to attack and kill and murder them wherever they are found so instead of “live and let live” they adopt a policy of “kill in the name of our religion”. Just the same as Hamas. What is holding the Palestinians back from realizing independence? What exactly is Israel going to do if no one is attacking it from Gaza? The same thing it's doing right now in the West Bank, leaving it the F alone. And if things are quiet maybe we can start working on getting our Pals a State. As it is they spend all their funding and time trying to attack Israel and survive on just the basics if they would take an ounce of that and implement it towards building up a civilized society maybe things would be better for them. But hey call me crazy it's just a thought.
In short my point stands and is very valid they are consumed with destruction. They need to concentrate on what is best for their future and their children because believe me everyone is doing what they believe is best unfortunately our Pals believe holy Jihad and the destruction of Israel is what is best.
This is a terrorist organization recognized as such by most of the world. Except you apparently.
Slavery can also be part of war. Dodge all you want, you won't escape the issue.
Where do you draw the line in the sand?
And yes, I would charge them. you know why? Cause the German war machine was broken. They were pushed out of all occupied territories, with not nearly enough force to take them over again.
The allies could have effectively stopped at the borders of Germany and just dig in. Hitler would have fallen on it's own.
I don't need to draw a line in the sand it's already been drawn. Something about international law rules or engagement etc. etc. I don't really know how slavery has come into this now but as for it being a part of war? You mean slaves fought in wars against their masters? Or slaves fought in wars for their masters against enemies? Or war was fought over if slaves was even a good thing? I don't know what I'm supposed to understand from your statement.
Riiight okay well you have your own views on WWII I personally don't assume to know that things would have happened the way you say.
Did they now?
Yup. They never targeted civilians.
For which, again, you have no proof.
Why should I trust any Israeli source? They have just as much reasons to lie as everyone else on this planet.
"Everyone of "them" lies" gets real old, real soon.
In 2004, the BBC's Fayad Abu Shamala was exposed as a possible Hamas member after Ha'aretz reported on a Hamas preacher caught on tape stating "that Hamas man Faiz Abu Smala works for the BBC, and that way he writes the story in favor of the Islam [sic] and Muslims."
“This was the same BBC employee who, in 2001, told a Hamas rally in Gaza (attended by the then Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin) that journalists and media organizations in Gaza, including the BBC, are "waging the campaign shoulder-to-shoulder together with the Palestinian people."
Following the kidnapping of BBC reporter Alan Johnston, a Hamas member who worked for the BBC (confirmed as Abu Shamala) was allowed to enter Gaza to assist in efforts to free Johnston. This raised serious questions concerning the BBC's hiring policies.
As a result of the kidnapping, the foreign media fled Gaza and the vacuum was filled by local Palestinian stringers. In 2007, the Jerusalem Post noted the problems of using only Palestinian stringer-produced material:
"The people who use the stringers have to sift their material very carefully," says Jay Bushinsky, a veteran member of the Foreign Press Association. "You have to be naive to believe that in a place like Gaza you can be a fair-minded reporter. They have a mission and they don't give anything detrimental to their leadership."”
Look I'm not trying to convince you that everything that comes out of Gaza is a lie. I'm trying to convince you that everything coming out of Gaza has a large potential for being a lie or biased or slanted or whatever you want to call it because of past precedent and current reporting trends where everything is taken as fact from the mouths of those with the most interest to fabricate. All I want is for people not to take everything they hear as fact especially not from these kinds of sources with a history of lying. I can only assume people who accept what is told to them by a terrorist organization with a proven history of lying to the media for a better story are either
A. Gulible
B. Mentally handicapped
C. Too lazy to look and see if that is the truth
D. Don't care enough about the situation to see if things are truth or not but they still like to whine about it
or
E. Has a serious bias against Israel and will accept any negative thing written about it.
The Vulcans are rolling over in their graves. It's just not logical to believe everything they say is absolute fact period.
I'm also impressed with how any source in Palestine must have been bullied into saying it or must be saying it cause they hate Israel. But when an Israeli soldier says something and doesn't want to give their name it can't possibly be for fear of reprisals. It must be because they are self hating Jews or completely fictional inventions of the liberal media elite.
Dude what reprisals? Israeli media is usually harder on the IDF than anyone. I would tell my officer all the time that he was wrong.
These soldiers were given the opportunity to really get the justice they felt should be had for what happened in Gaza because I don't know how it works in your country but here the MP's and the army are enemies. They hate each other. MP's are told that the more 'tickets' they can hand out the more leave they will get. So in an MP investigation these same soldiers said “wellllll... we didn't actually see this happen we only heard about it and also we embellished on what we heard for effect.” And when they further questioned the soldiers who told them the stories it turns out the Palestinian woman that was shot was done so because she was walking towards the soldiers not responding to calls to halt or to shots made in the air or by her feet. No hands raised no white flag and with a history of women attackers I would have put her down as well.
The story of the shooting of the woman and the 2 children is even more exaggerated. The woman and 2 children were told to go a certain direction and then 2 armed hamas members started firing from a different direction and there was return fire from the IDF but it wasn't even in the same direction as the lady and the 2 kids the 2 incidents happened one after the other but completely separate.
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3694477,00.html not that that will help anyone... but whatever.
A Paratroopers Brigade soldier who also participated in the war called the claims "nonsense". Speaking on condition of anonymity, he said, "It is true that in war morality can be interpreted in many different ways, and there are always a few idiots who act inappropriately, but most of the soldiers represented Israel honorably and with a high degree of morality.
"For instance, on three separate occasions my company commander checked soldiers' bags for stolen goods. Those who stole the smallest things, like candy, were severely punished," he said.
"We were forbidden from sleeping in Palestinians' beds even when we had no alternate accommodations, and we didn’t touch any of their food even after we hadn't had enough to eat for two days."
it would be hypocritical of me to present all that as fact and I don't assume you would take it as such in fact you will question it greatly because of its source but that is good and that is all I want you to do for the other side as well when you read it ask yourself do they have any reason to lie? And of course everyone could present things in a better light but especially people who have done it so many times before. At least be the slightest bit skeptical.
I don't accept all this is fact but I always reach my own conclusions of what was more likely based on both sides of the story based on the history relevance and motive of both sides of the story.
