[-Norbert-]

Snail?

On that we certainly agree. That was exactly what was going through my mind when I read that

And joining in the joking is the best way to reply to someone poking fun at you

[NGTM-1R]

Snail?

You S people are all alike!

I'm at work, I don't have time to check things properly after reading.

[-Sara-]

For the fun of testing the Dante's strenghts I just pitted several GTVA battlegroups (about a total of 10-15 destroyers and 20 corvettes) against a Dante with FRED. It wasn't pretty and that was with leaving any escorting Shivan destroyers out. Yes they managed to disarm the Dante, but not before it's four giantic beam cannons torn through several ships with great ease, taking a few more along before it's smaller beams were shut down also. Safe to say an invasion force of several Dante's cannot be repelled by any GTVA means as we currently know them (unless they are holding something back). A redo of the mission with several Ravanas, Demons and two Sathanas juggernaughts probably results in a total slaughter. Isolating the Dante and hitting her while keeping her engine down might result in destroying it. Still if they would have more than one Dante, that'd matter little. Collapsing the gates seems viable, since a single Dante might be stopped if rallying the majority of GTVA's fleets is possible, at the cost of great loss.

You S people are all alike!

I'm glad there's a dash before and after my username.

[blowfish]

The Dante's main beams are actually only BFReds in AoA.  It's not hugely more powerful than the Sath, though it has a huge number of SReds and of course hitpoints.

[General Battuta]

The Dante's main beams are actually only BFReds in AoA.  It's not hugely more powerful than the Sath, though it has a huge number of SReds and of course hitpoints.

There's so much I'd like to say and so little I can!

[-Norbert-]

For the fun of testing the Dante's strenghts I just pitted several GTVA battlegroups (about a total of 10-15 destroyers and 20 corvettes) against a Dante with FRED

I'm quite surprised about that number.
I just tried to pit 3 Solaris, 5 Karunas and 5 Narajanas against a Dante. And the UEF won with all three destroyers, 4 Karunas and one Narajana surviving on medium difficulty.
That is, after I replaced the Solarises torpedoes with Apocalypse#Narajana.... for some reason they just wouldn't fire their own torpedoes. Even when they were in range of their gattler turrets (which have less range) they didn't fire their Apocalypse#Solaris...

On a sidenote: In another attempt a Solaris repeatedly blew a Raynor away in about 1 minute without losing more than 30 seconds, but was also repeatedly wasted by two salvos from a Titan in direct "nose-to-nose" fights.

[General Battuta]

For the fun of testing the Dante's strenghts I just pitted several GTVA battlegroups (about a total of 10-15 destroyers and 20 corvettes) against a Dante with FRED

I'm quite surprised about that number.
I just tried to pit 3 Solaris, 5 Karunas and 5 Narajanas against a Dante. And the UEF won with all three destroyers, 4 Karunas and one Narajana surviving on medium difficulty.
That is, after I replaced the Solarises torpedoes with Apocalypse#Narajana.... for some reason they just wouldn't fire their own torpedoes. Even when they were in range of their gattler turrets (which have less range) they didn't fire their Apocalypse#Solaris...

On a sidenote: In another attempt a Solaris repeatedly blew a Raynor away in about 1 minute without losing more than 30 seconds, but was also repeatedly wasted by two salvos from a Titan in direct "nose-to-nose" fights.

No armor, no ECM...tricky to translate straight results like that into in-universe terms.

[-Sara-]

UEF missiles seem to hurt the Dante far more than GTVA beams. I guess that's all a matter of lacking scripts in my on-the-fly FRED experiment?

[The E]

The problem is, we're using armor classes A LOT to balance engagements. Meaning what you got there can be considered a "best case" result.

[-Norbert-]

Not necessarily best case, since both the UEF and GTVA have some tricks up their sleeves as well. And unless the Shivans came up with something new in that regard since Capella and AoA, the terrans and vasudans also have way superiour fighters and bombers.
A "real" fleet clash wouldn't be capital ships only after all.

The Narayanas torpedoes outrange the SRed, so in a scripted battle they would stay back out of range of those (which they don't do when only ordered to attack), having to fear only the BFReds. I don't know the ranges of the blue beams, but I could imagine the same is likely to be true for the Bellerophons BBlue and possibly for the Chimeras MBlue.

Since the Shivans didn't encounter AWACS in battle before (in FS2, they were only used to boost sensors, not for electronic warfare - except the Hamakos jamming, but that was against NTF and only radio jamming), those could also be very usefull for at least a few minutes untill the Shivans adapt. And in such a battle a few minutes can make a lot of difference.

Also there was no player action involved. Don't forget Humanity has Laporte, Samuel Bei and possibly two Alpha 1!

[Androgeos Exeunt]

They also have the HBlue, which is the only GTVA beam that out-ranges the BFRed. Ice cream cannon annihilates all.

[Jellyfish]

Humanity has Laporte, Samuel Bei and possibly two Alpha 1!

FS1 Alpha 1 would be really old by the time of the WiH events...

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Humanity has Laporte, Samuel Bei and possibly two Alpha 1!

It could be three Alpha 1s if the one in ST is not Bosch himself.

[Flak]

The FS1 Alpha 1 if still present is probably at least a ship captain, probably a rear admiral or so.

[-Norbert-]

Which wouldn't stop him from piloting a fighter if he feels like it.
But I don't think (FS1) Alpha 1 is part of the military. It's more likely that he's a Fedayeen (probably one of the first) or even an Elder. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he and the survivors of the Lucifer attack force (Humand and Vasudan) founded the Fedayeen in the first place.

I hope we will get more information and history on the Fedayeen with WiH 2.

[-Sara-]

Perhaps the most poetic would be that FS1 Alpha died the way he lived, completely anonymous.

[Scotty]

Except that there's no way in hell the guy who blew up the Lucifer is going to die anonymously, right?

[Scourge of Ages]

Except that there's no way in hell the guy who blew up the Lucifer is going to die anonymously, right?

Maybe he just flies off into the sunset.

[Dark Hunter]

...

There is no sunset in space.

[Herra Tohtori]

...

There is no sunset in space.