[Knight Templar]

I don't mean that they know the code, just that the code being there and taking over the mind is present in the matrix, and the matrix and the real world are connected through the mind, i.e. what you feel in there, your mind 'feels.

You get hit by a truck in the matrix, your body feels like it's hit by a truck in real life.
You get assimilated by Smith in the matrix and your mind is assimilated by Smith in real life. Your mind is obviously capable of being assimilated within the matrix, and your real life body feels what your matrix body does apparently, so it would explain how he took control of Bane.

Didn't we learn this in Matrix one?

Su: He meant that for some reason still unrevealed (at least I missed it) Neo and Trinity got into the machine city with no resistance at all, untill they flew around and found the defenses.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Su-tehp
Apparently, what ZylonBane meant is that it was the Zionites who never heard of the Maginot Line.

Originally posted by ZylonBane
Ummm.... no. I meant what I said. If you don't see the parallel in Neo's inflitration of the machine city, then I can't help you.

Oh, I get it now, you were referring to Neo and Trinity flying to Zero-One (aka the Machine City) in the Logos. Instead of going around the fortifications, like the Germans (and the Machines at Zion) did, Neo and Trinity went above the Machine defenses.

Ok, now that makes sense.

Well, as I showed above, the Machines did seem to know about the Maginot Line, they just forgot to apply it to Neo.

After all, who among the Machines would anticipate any human actually wanting to go to the Machine City?

[Nico]

First:

Originally posted by Su-tehp

With strategic stupidity like this, is it any wonder the French never won a war?

Mmmh... f.uck you? yes, f.uck you, that's good enough. Heard that too many times to be diplomatic. I could explain to you why the germans went through Belgium to avoid the Maginot Line, why, they "forgot" they had a treaty with them, how many wars we actually won on our own compared to the USA ( 2 wars for you, right? you're far behind, man  ), how much I dispise people like you, but I think the list is enough, I don't want to elaborate. Geez, even in a thread about matrix, I have to bear tards like you.

ANYWAY

Back on topic: just saw it, Revolutions, that is. Well, the battle at Zion was cool, at least.
My first and main grip: I didn't play the friggin game, so I didn't get the begining. WTF with that? I'm happy there's not a 4th movie, you'd have to get the matrix mug or something to learn what happens between the two movies

I also didn't understand many things: what's with that girl at the end, being able to change the colour of the sky? Why did Smith blow up? etc etc. Saw I just read half this thread ( too long ) and, I suppose I got some things:
Neo has some old code that triggers Smith's destruction? Mmh, maybe, really, can't remember, the architect said too much stuff, really can't remember that.
So, Ne is dead at the end, right? Not that it's really important anyway, I guess.
Hargh, I was wondering other things, but can't remember what.
Funny thing, even at the end, we never know trinity's true name
Not that it's really important either...

[Descenterace]

In ETM, you see the Train Man just after that business at the Airport (rescuing a member of Soren's crew).  In particular, in the movie sequence at the hard line after the mission.

And as for miniguns:
The APUs had 30mm cannons.  It doesn't say anywhere that they had miniguns.  Given the size of each ammo box, and the size of each shell, I'd say that if they were firing 6000 rounds per minute they'd've gone through an entire box in less than 10 seconds.  So they weren't pumping out that much lead.  If they were, they could've 'jetpacked' around by aiming downwards...
The A-10 Thunderbolt has a 30mm minigun in the nose.  Hell, the nose IS the minigun.  That plane is built around the cannon, it's so big.  When it fires, the aircraft looses an appreciable amount of airspeed due to recoil.  So if an APU was carrying a 30mm minigun, it would have a hard time staying upright whilst firing.
I'd estimate the fire rate of a single APU cannon to be about 4-5 rounds per second, = about 300 rounds per minute.  Mind you, even at this fire rate, that's a lot of shredded tin...

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
You get assimilated by Smith in the matrix and your mind is assimilated by Smith in real life. Your mind is obviously capable of being assimilated within the matrix, and your real life body feels what your matrix body does apparently, so it would explain how he took control of Bane.

Agents don't assimilate people. They usurp control over their avatars (or "shells" as Revolutions called them). Smith's unique powers are that he can copy his code instead of simply moving it, AND he can absorb other programs (which I also have a problem with, since programs apparently use the same avatar/shell interface to the Matrix as humans). It's not known if Agents can do this too-- I can't think of any situation where it would have been an option.

I repeat-- there is no conceivable reason why the neural link to the Matrix would encompass anything beyond the central nervous system. That's all you need to feed simulated inputs to the five senses, receive muscular inputs, and monitor biological telemetry. You can't instantly reprogram a human brain that way. I don't think you can instantly repgrogram a human brain at all. The sheer amount of simultaneous electro-chemical activity would cause your head to explode (or at least ooze).

The Wachowskis had a decent sci-fi thing going with the original Matrix (by movie standards). But from the very end of Reloaded on through Revolutions, they just gave up and went with full-bore anything-goes science fantasy.

[Kazan]

sorry zylone - but your theories about the matrix link are exactly that - theories -- any theory you have that contradicts what we saw in the movies is exactly "Horse ****"

There are only two people who are qualified to speak about what can and cannot be done with the matrix link: The W-Bros

[Singh]

hmmmmm......
I just had a somewhat interesting thought.
Maybe Smith killed himself?
In the previous movies, it was stated that his sole purpose was to destroy Neo- and when he finished that in this movie, it quite literally gave him no purpose- he even says it, almost as if he was begging for it- "Is it over?" or somewhere along those lines.
Just a thought, nothing more.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Nico
First:

Mmmh... f.uck you? yes, f.uck you, that's good enough. Heard that too many times to be diplomatic. I could explain to you why the germans went through Belgium to avoid the Maginot Line, why, they "forgot" they had a treaty with them, how many wars we actually won on our own compared to the USA (2 wars for you, right? you're far behind, man), how much I dispise people like you, but I think the list is enough, I don't want to elaborate. Geez, even in a thread about matrix, I have to bear tards like you.

ANYWAY...

Damn, I didn't even know that any Frenchmen frequented this board. Ah, well, that's what I get for being completely undiplomatic. I deserved Nico's rant, I admit it freely.

Still, I feel, as a good American, that I am honorbound to dispute Nico's contention that the USA has only won "2 wars on its own," but since I'm not sure what he meant by that, I'll keep my big gob shut until I find out what I'm talking about.

Fair's fair, after all.

[Grey Wolf]

Realistically, no country has really won a war on it's own in centuries.

[Gloriano]

in wars there is no actualy  winners or losers there is suffering and death

[Liberator]

Any experiences you have while in the Matrix are downloaded into your brain.  We have proof of this with how Neo learned martial arts and gunplay in the first movie.

From Revoloutions, we learn that the mind is actually separated from the body while connected to the Matrix, thus it exists as digital data on a computer, where the experiences that are had are added to it and is then reloaded onto the brain during the disconnection process.

All Smith would have to do is copy his personality sub-routines into the file for the person he was assimilating.  When the file is unknowingly reloaded into the original body.  Bang!  Smith's got himself a physical body to strike at Neo and Zion where they are vulnerable.  It's really quite simple.

[Bobboau]

what file format are our minds iin again FAT32 or NTFS?

[Descenterace]

War doesn't determine who's right.  It determines who's left.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Su-tehp


Damn, I didn't even know that any Frenchmen frequented this board. Ah, well, that's what I get for being completely undiplomatic. I deserved Nico's rant, I admit it freely.

Still, I feel, as a good American, that I am honorbound to dispute Nico's contention that the USA has only won "2 wars on its own," but since I'm not sure what he meant by that, I'll keep my big gob shut until I find out what I'm talking about.

Fair's fair, after all.

Where have you been the last 3 years? He's been around and been French for quite some time now...

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Kazan
any theory you have that contradicts what we saw in the movies is exactly "Horse ****"

Unfortunately, that also describes the degree of logic demonstrated by the official explanations.

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by ZylonBane
*stuff*

First of all, I like french.

Now, that we've gotten that out of the way: ZB, I understand, and for once, agree with most of the points you've made, my only question is: How on earth could you have enjoyed Revolutions more than you did Reloaded.

I mean, at least Reloaded tried to include a story, and the action sequences were actually interesting (is biased, because of the Reloaded DVD. Man that sounds good at full volume).

And, I have mentioned before and I will keep mentioning it: The ending sucked.

Thank you.

[edit]
Oh and by the way, was it ever explained (and I mean not in the "Use the force....uhm...source" kinda way") how Neo got to see the machines when he was blind.

The sentinel thing, which was bloody stupid, has been mentioned already, so I'll just say that it was bloody stupid. It was bloody stupid.

[Knight Templar]

He just could okay? Get ****ing used to it. "The power of the One extends beyond the Matrix."

[Dark_4ce]

Oooh. I just came up with a totally obscure theory thats probably unfounded and weak, but its profound. Neo has BECOME the Matrix!!!!

*Cue mystery revealed music! DUM DUM DUUUUM!*

After Neo dies and Smith dissapears, it is Neo that says "It is done!" Thats why we still see Neo being carried away in Neo-Vision! Because Neo is seeing it!! NEO LIVES!

*Starts spray painting on walls "Neo Lives!" signs...*

[Flipside]

As for this Neo outside the Matrix thing.... we have wireless networking even these days, and it is actually possible with the right equipment to steal data off of a computer that you are not connected to in any way whatsoever.

Flipside

[übermetroid]

Originally posted by ZylonBane
I could swear I saw big flaming balls of energy being fired. How do you hack a ball of energy?

They were not energy, they were the bombs used in #2 that the sentinals used.

Doubtful. With all the medical scans they ran on him when they first pulled him out, they would have noticed that.

Um...  The plug?  All the pod born people have Machine Tech in them.  Neo just used it more then everybody else?  But that is just me rambling

He learned to subvert avatar programs in the Matrix simulation. This is a far, far cry from reprogramming yourself from scratch to execute on an utterly alien chunk of hardware (a human brain). Even then, there's little chance the cyberjack would be physically equipped to rewire an entire human brain in an instant. There's absolutely no need for it to connect to anything beyond the central nervous system.

What you say is true, except that Smith did download himself into Banes Head.

These machines are a hell of a lot smarter than bugs. Yet they flew around in giant swarms either ignoring the defenders, or flying directly into their guns in a convenient column. With the numbers of Sentinels shown, they should have picked that chamber clean in under 5 minutes.

I really agree with you here, I just watched in for a second time and in that entire fight in the background there are just clouds of squids flying around looking cool.

Please attempt to differentiate between a DATA line and a POWER line.

Well whats to say there was not Data Lines there?  That is how that little girl got from the Machine world to the Matrix.  There is data lines somewhere.